Am I to take it that you admit that your experience was just a feeling and nothing real?
this pathetic attempt to again claim I wasn’t a TrueChristiantm has been ably answered by my forum mates. Sad, OS, really sad.
If yours was not real why are you so adamant in claiming that you used to be either a christian or a theist?If you really believed you had an encounter with The Holy Spirit who would have 'quickened' you....gave you Spiritual life ( born again) then you are a backslider, granted a very pissed off one, but one none-the-less .But you have to deny that experience, which you now finally seem to do,( "nothing real" ) in order to embrace atheism.If you are an atheist then of course you believe there was no God or Holy Spirit to do anything and you begin to make more sense.Why don't you just drop the bone Velkyn and deny the possibility of you ever being Christian?
I would think at that point it should feel like you found out the test came back negative...you really don't have cancer!!!You should be rejoicing!
No, dear, I’m not a backslider at all. I’m an atheist. I’m quite happy as one, and as far as I can tell, you so desperately need to believe that no one can turn their back on the religion that validates your self-worth, you need to call me something that I’m not falsely. It was indeed a feeling, and I thought it was real. You think your feeling was real too and you still do. Doesn’t make it from any god though. It’s so amusing to watch you so desperately try to convince me of something though. No, I will not “drop the bone” because it is very important to me to show that your religion is not what you claim, that it is quite possible to really really believe and accept you’ve been born again and then become an atheist, your attempts to lie to the contrary. Now, OS, go pray real real hard and see if God can change my mind since you can’t
I would have to go by their testimony by their actions and fruit.I believe the Scriptures about the new birth are for us to check ourselves primarily.
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One can compare a persons testimony and fruit to scripture Velkyn.It would be something I'd naturally do in a congregation if my kids were under someone else's charge for instance.
Yep, there we go, you have to depend on what they say. It’s so cute when you add that you can tell by their “fruit”. This fruit, which I assume you mean as giving to charities, was polite, worked to better the world by helping, you know those things I mentioned in my post? I do all of those, just like JC says when he’s separating the sheep from goats, so we’re finally back to you only know by their testimony aka what they claim.
The Bible does have supernatural origins.
Oh really it has supernatural orgins? Evidence please.
and is helpful in being a "fruit inspector"Do we know every case for sure...of course not. Are we to try?:
15 “Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves. 16 You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act
Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions.
I think "beware" tells me that we should.
So, we have you defining a Christian by what the bible says. Again, each Christian disagrees on what God really means in the bible. We have Christians who are sure that God meant that we should revile and hate homosexuals? Does that determine who the real Christians are? Or does saying God will eventually accept everyone? Both are claimed to be scripturally sound. And since none of you can do what JC promised you could, well…..
What if a person gave to various charities, was polite, worked to better the world through helping
Not enough info to really tell much about them.[/quote] ROFL. Oh my my my. So what else do you need to know? I’m quite willing to give you as much information as you need. Funny how you said to know actions and their fruits (aka the results of their actions) above.
Do you know if this was from his "christian" days or atheist days by any chance:
"I support a women's right to choose an abortion. Jesus never said anything about a woman with an unwanted pregnancy, He was silent on the issue, I think Christians should be as well. I think for most women an abortion is a blessing in her life, it is a wonderful thing.
Is that one of the tenets of FFRF?
You’d have to ask them. I don’t recall them having any “tenents”. And hmm, where did you get that quote from, OS? Nice to quote things but to have no source? Tsk. Oh, hate to tell you but atheists don’t agree on abortion either, just that there is no god. Nice to see you try a strawman, I was getting bored.
Any critique of his books I've read seem to make the case that he left something he didn't have much of a grasp on in the first place.Man, that would be ironic.
Gasp, Christians trying to make a case. What is this case, OS? Or do you like to spread innuendo when you haven’t a leg to stand on. Go ahead, OS, write to Mr. Barker and ask him directly. Or are you afraid only wanting to believe people who assume the same baseless things like you want to?
It's like you can read my mind!! Really,you aren't the least bit curious? You just take this guy at face value?I mean the part where he said he was "instrumental" ?
Cant’ tell if you are serious. It’d be amazingly stupid if you did think that, talk about ignorant wishful thinking. I’d love to know who were the people that were supposedly healed and of what malady. That’d would be great but I can pretty much bet that there were no amputees in the mix. You know what, OS, I’ve just emailed FFRF about this and hope to get an answer about your question. I’ve even invited Mr. Barker here.
Let's don't open that can of worms for now, ok?
Aw, don’t you like it when I show your claims to be garbage. Poor thing.