I think our government has done an extreme disservice to our young people. The government and doctors are seen as authority figures, and if a doctor tells you abortion is a viable option, then you are likely to think to yourself, "well if the doctor says it's okay it must be okay." They then make ignorant decisions based on what their authority figures have brought them to believe, and are actually killing their own sons and daughters, without realizing what their doing. Films like these are obviously biased, the point of this film is not to present both sides of the argument and allow you to choose, it is to shock you back into reality. It's to challenge the prior beliefs you had based on what your authorities have told you, and show you just terrible of a situation our country is in right now.
In other words, it's not designed to give you any actual information or to help you make an informed and intelligent decision. It's designed to horrify and emotionally manipulate you into agreeing with our position by demonizing anyone who has a different opinion than ours. An opinion which we can't substantiate with an actual logical or evidence-based argument.
Remind your friend that if the only way he can defend his position is with emotional manipulation, demonization, minsinformation and faith, he has essentially admitted that his position has no actual strength of it's own.
Considering the massive change in worldview that needs to take place, abortion should be made illegal, but the process of criminalization and punishment would need to be gradual. If abortion were made illegal today, and tomorrow 14 yr old rape victim received an abortion, I do not believed she should get life in prison for infanticide. However, further down the road when we have ended this death happy mentality in favor of abortion, then abortion should be treated as infanticide.
My point of the authority's power is that people are under a false mindset that when they get an abortion they are not actually murdering their child. If this mindset ends, and the mother is aware of this, then she is in fact killing her child, which is infanticide, and should be treated as such.
So basically it's only child-killing if the mother thinks she's killing her child.......fucking brilliant.
To put it with less snark.
So he doesn't actually have any punishment in mind. Just some vague notion that somebody should be punished, somewhere, at some vague point in the future......maybe....if the phase of the moon is correct. (ok, a little less snark)
He doesn't think these girls should be punished, unless the rest of society backs him up on this. I was actually expecting something along those lines, it's a common response when you press that point. Many pro-lifers will try to say things like "well that's for the law to decide" when asked about how people who do this should be punished. He doesn't really want to say it publicly so he waffles and tries to shift the concept away onto the authorities rather than ask himself the question of whether the girls really deserve to be punished.
After all, if you're not going to punish them, what's the point in outlawing it?
The bad life of the child argument doesn't work for me. Would you rather be bounced around foster families, or never have life at all? By that kind of mindset, we should just bomb third world countries en mass because their lives suck. Simply because someone has a terrible life (by our standards) doesn't mean we have the right to take it away.
Some people bring up the fact that a horror story might occur. The child might be adopted by a pedophile or something. However, for every horror story there's dozens if not hundreds that weren't horror stories. So that would mean in order to avoid that one horror story, you should kill off hundreds of kids, which doesn't make sense. Also, even if you experience a horror story life, would you still rather to have never been born? Even on the rare chance there is a horror story, and on the odd chance they would rather have never lived than have a bad life, it's not our choice to make. We're not gods that can decide to kill based upon an unforeseen future.
Dodge and a Red Herring with a little bit of a Strawman.
No horror stories were brought up. The question was one of society over all.
How will the adoption system cope? How can an education system that already has overcrowded classrooms, poor funding, and already has trouble teaching it's students cope with several million more of them?
There's the workability of the mothers. A lot of them will have to go on welfare. Not to mention they might not be able to work and have/raise the baby so there's also a loss of manpower in the workforce that could have been used elsewhere.
Not to mention a teen mother who gets pregnant and has to drop out of highschool to take care of the baby. There's another potential loss, not to mention all of the other societal problems that comes with lack of education. Keep in mind that we're not talking about one or two babies, we're talking literally millions and millions of new babies that are going to be born. The possible bad life of the child was never even brought up. What was mentioned was the potential societal impact.
The question still remains, what are you going to do with all of these new people?