“consider” = opinion. An opinion is not an acceptable form of evidence to prove a point. In order to validate your ‘point’ that God’s plan was flawed, you would have to know what would have occurred in the world had the evil not been destroyed. You are stating that the plan did not work but you cannot prove that.
No. It is now your job to argue the point by showing how my opinion is wrong. I provided a justification for why it's flawed. Now you have to show why it's not.
I am stating that the plan did not work because it did not accomplish what you said it was supposed to accomplish.
Either you can now show that it did accomplish that, or you can refute what I said with an argument of your own. Just saying that it's my opinion is not a refutation in this case, because we're dealing with a subjective subject in which real evidence can not be provided.
I have made a logical statement that shows his plan did not work. Can you actually refute it or not?
That is not adequate proof of anything. While I have little doubt that the youth drowned along with everyone else, you are still speculating and cannot provide the proof. Period.
First off, why? You just admitted I was right. "While I have little doubt that the youth drowned along with everyone else"
. Remember this? You just said it. This was the claim that you asked me to prove before. That god drowned the babies. You have just agreed that what I said was the truth, so why should I bother proving it at this point.
More to the point, you can't provide otherwise. The issue is can you actually refute the point with a reasoned argument. Clearly you can't.
As Jamie pointed out, unless you can actually prove that god exists, we cannot prove what god did in the real world unless. Hence the discussion remains entirely hypotetical based on what is said in the bible and cannot be objectively evidenced. It is however still fully supported by logic and reason, which I even diagramed out for you. As far as that goes, I did prove that god drowned the babies because the narrative says that he drowned all of humanity (which would include the babies). Until you can make a logical argument that refutes it, the point remains.
More speculation absent any proof. Prove to all of us that God placed/inflicted original sin on us as opposed to us placing it on ourselves.
Again, just saying "speculation" is not an argument against anything that I said.
I laid out the entire reasoning above. Can you actually point out any flaws in the reasoning or make a reasoned counter-argument or not?
You're still dodging.
A blatant dodge. Please answer my question and provide what I requested.
It's not a dodge, your post was a Strawman that had nothing to do with what was said and presented claims that I did not make.
However, to give the dog a bone, the answer is no. I cannot show either of those things. Though neither can you, and none of that has any bearing on what was being said at that time. It's still a Strawman on your part.
Now that I've given into your insipid demand, how about actually responding to what was said with something that isn't a fallacy.
No. You specifically said that I “simply don't care”….along with “You show no concern or caring for the suffering and agonies that others experience nor any consequences. Or what may happen to others. All you ever show concern for is the will of your god.”
You are making specific accusations about my character as a whole indicating that I am not capable of caring or showing concern for the agonies of others. Stop dodging and prove it. Prove that I am incapable of EVER caring and showing concern.
I did. I demonstrated that you have shown none of those attributes. Not once have you, I gave you reasons for it. That you don't like it doesn't change that fact. Now perhaps you are different in your real life. However that doesn't actually matter at the moment, because what I have to work with is the behaviour that you show to me. Show me where you have behaved as you say and you can easily refute everything I said there.
Now we’re getting somewhere. You admit that you are judging God according to human standards. Thank you.
I never said otherwise. Again, that was your Strawman. What you have yet to do is provide a single justification for why we shouldn't. You ignored that point a couple of posts ago.
Another blatant dodge.
No, a truth. I did, you ignored it, remember.
Are you not reading what I am writing or just purposely ignoring it? I explained what I said….there is no proof. I used the word “seems.”
And I asked you to justify the statement. How does it seem this way.
I have. You have dodged my questions and failed to provide the proof that I requested. You continue to offer nothing but opinions and observations.
Then justify it. Tear my arguments down. just shrugging your shoulders and going "opinion" does not destroy anything that I've said, even if that were true. Without evidence of gods existence, all we are left with using as a basis is what is written and claimed by theists about god. There is no way to offer objective proof, without proving god first.
So any refutation has to be based on the quality of the arguments made and the reasoning behind them. Did I commit a fallacy? Was there a flaw in my logic? Did I misread what the bible says? These are the things that you should be focusing on to refute my arguments.
As it stands nothing you have said refutes any point made. My logic holds, my arguments hold, and still remain unchallenged by you.