This is part of the problem. You don't make points and even when I think you try, it is incoherent.
It's pretty much a cliche to say this about you at this point, but at no point did you bother to provide anything to back up this claim. Nor did you actually prove any of your initial assertions either. It's just more baseless BS, BS. Let's move on however.
Funny, pretty much every other person (theist and atheist) seems perfectly capable of understanding when I'm making a point on this forum. But ok, let's roll with this for a minute.
God did not say that He regretted causing the flood....nor did He drown ALL of creation. He removed the evil which had almost completely destroyed all of mankind and preserved the only living humans who still recognized Him as the one and only God. Satan's grand plan to obliterate any chance of the promised Messiah was brought to an end. While it may seem harsh to you, the consequences of it not occurring would have been a fatal blow to God's plan to save any of us.
He saved the only non-evil people. Who then proceeded to go ahead and do exactly what pissed him off in the first place. Clearly god is a master planner. It was a whole day or two before Noah's son got cursed for doing something wrong.
Here I am pointing out one of the major flaws inherent in "gods plan". Namely that the people he chose to save went ahead and commited the same types of crimes he punished everyone else for immediately.
You had no response to this. If you didn't understand what I was getting at (which seems to be your claim) why didn't you ask for clarification?
And I'm sure the babies of course we're so intensely evil that they had to be drowned as well.
Another point made. This one being that god also drowned all of the babies of the earth. None of whom could have commited any evil as.
Again, no response from you. Also again, if you actually did not understand this, why not ask for clarification on the point that I was making?
Not to mention that an all-powerful god had no choice but to kill everybody. Clearly an omnipotent being just had to do it that way.
A sarcastic comment made here, however a valid point nonetheless. God is all-powerful so there should have been no need to kill anyone (other than that he simply wanted to) to get the end that he desired. Yet he did so anyways.
Same as above. No response from you, no request for clarification of the point.
Not to mention that gods plan to "save" us involves saving us from the punishment that he himself inflicted upon us.
Again, a perfectly valid point. Gods plan of "saving" is to save us from something that he himself created and put into place.
Same as above, you know the drill by now.
So what about these does not constitute making a point, BS. Please enlighten me. How were these incoherent or not understandable? Why did you not simply ask for it to be clarified?
But let's go on for now.
Yes, that pretty much sums it up. I trust that everything God has commanded or allowed was for the preservation and betterment of the human race over the entire course of time. He is the Creator, not just some politician in the sky trying to show off.
However you only think this because god told you so.
Seems to be a fairly straightforward and easy to understand point, isn't it? You trust god only because you were told to trust him. Not for any actually valid reason.
So basically because god tells you that it's for a greater good, it's ok for him to do things that even the most depraved and immoral humans in history would consider evil. All because he has told you to trust him and you decide to do so, even though there's really no apparent reason why you should do so. In fact there's every reason that you shouldn't since by nearly every standard of morals that humans have your god is a monster. Including your own standards. You simply give him a pass because you "trust" that he does these terrible things for a good reason. Wonderful.
Again, a perfectly valid point, isn't it?
By every human standard your god does things that could only be done by a terrible monster. However you excuse it because you "trust" him. Something which he himself told you to do.
What makes this not a valid point about your ideology, BS?
People like Hitler or Pol Pot or Stalin may have killed millions in horrible ways, but at least they had some sense of right or wrong and some sense of morals. At least they thought they were doing something good, however deluded and wrong they were.
You however, you simply don't care. You show no concern or caring for the suffering and agonies that others experience nor any consequences. Or what may happen to others. All you ever show concern for is the will of your god.
This is pointing out the horrible implications of your theology, BS. That you don't actually care about right or wrong, or others suffering. You only care about what you are told to do and your own salvation.
Aside from being frightening, it also dehumanizes you in a way that is very sad and disturbing.
But again, how is anything I said here and following not a valid point. Or how is it incoherent?
Do you see the hypocrisy? Do you realize you may be just as deceived as you accuse me of being? You claim to use ‘logic’ and ‘rationalization’ as your guide but you cannot validate their trustworthiness anymore than I can validate the Bible. How do you know that ‘logic’ leads to truth?
There's no hypocrisy at all. The computer that you are using is proof that our methodolgy works. The vaccines that you take, the tv you watch, the food that you eat, the weatherman on the radio that you listened to while you went to work. Nearly everything in our modern lives shows that our methodlogy works. I can look around the room that I am in right now and point to fifty things that show that my methodolgy works, because these things came about as a direct reslut of using that methodology.
A point that shows that the methods of "logic" and "rationalization" have led to almost everything that we enjoy and depend in our lives. A clear refutation of your claim that one cannot validate the trustworthiness of my method anymore than you can the bible. As I pointed out, our method produces real world benefits that anyone can see.
Can you do the same with yours?
How was this incoherent? It was a simple question. Can you use your methodology in a similiar way to show me a real, tangible and practical benefit that comes from it.
This is only one of the posts that I've made so far. However it seems to me that it isn't so much that I don't make points, but that you've been deliberately ignoring them.
But here you go, in deference to you I made them simpler and explained them in easy words. Feel free to start with those and then we can move onto some of the other ones that have come up so far.
You spend time looking through everyone's post in an efforts to find something that you feel was ignored through negligence and then hound on the person you are writing to.
It's not negligence though, is it? Did you actually go back and read the threads that I linked when you asked for proof about why you went to the ER?
People (not just me) spent entire post after post calling you back to actually respond to various points and issues. Such as your unwillingness to provide Larissa with peer-reviewed expert supporters of creationism, despite your claims that you could find many. How long did we spend on that one, again? Do you want me to go back to your ER thread as well? How many times were the same issues brought up by several people over and over again because you dodged them?
It's not as though those issues were ones that came up once and then no one ever thought about again. They came up constantly.
You don't ignore posts through negligence. The threads I linked to clearly show that because they are full of points brought up over and over again by everyone, and still ignored or dodged.
As for hounding, yes I do actually. That's because I feel it important to point out when people like you are being dishonest in their discussions and outright lying. You don't get to just ignore it when someone makes a point against what you say. You respond to it, even if it only to say "I don't have an answer". It's one thing to sometimes overlook a post when there are a lot of them. Or to not have the time when there are many you have to deal with. However that doesn't apply to you. You ignore posts out of dishonesty. Which is not how the rules of the forum work.
So yes, I do engage in such a thing on occasion. Because it illustrates the point of just how weak of a position people like you have. That you have to continually ignore valid points because you know you can't respond to them in an honest conversation.
As I've mentioned before, you could just actually respond to the points people make instead of dodging. Or at least actually acknowledge them once it's pointed out that you missed them. I don't want to come at you with any crazy ideas, but it might work.
What you seem to focus the majority of your efforts on is making insults and accusations.
Please prove this. While it is true that I do insult you because.....well quite frankly you give me every reason to insult you. I also make and have made many valid points in the process. In fact, that majority of what I have said contains rather points against you and your ideas, as well as what you have said.
Such as my comment about why you are the worst example of humanity possible which preceeded my points about the nature of your theology. I did both, BS. You just ignored what you didn't want to respond to.
Believe it or not, I'm multi-talented. I can make legitimate points in a conversation, and insult scum like you at the same time.
BS, I insult you because you give me absolutely no reason to treat you with any respect at all. You lie, you dodge, you have no intellectual integrity at all, you hide when asked to back up your claims, you show no capacity for empathy or compassion, you are an absolutely terrible person.
You might want to observe how the true intellects in these forums rarely, if ever, attempt to mask their knowledge by beating down their opponent with adolescent remarks.
True intellects? BS, considering you and the way you think, act, and your pitifully limited knowledge the fact that I don't meet your standards of a true intellect is quite possibly the greatest compliment you could give me. Seriously, thank you.
On another note, I'm not beating you down with adolescent remarks. I'm beating you down with truthful remarks backed by evidence, as well as valid points and criticisms. The adolescent remarks are just a bonus. They serve as an outlet to help me deal with people like you.
Then, when you've made those observations, do some self reflection and admit that you are carrying on like a child.
No. If I was carrying on like a child I'd be only insulting you and nothing else. Or I'd be jamming my fingers in my ears and pretending not to listen to you. Or sitting around refusing to engage in the discussion because "I don't want to play with him".
I'm doing none of those.
I am engaging in the conversation, and I am doing it honestly while making valid arguments and backing up my claims. However I am also freely admitting to my feelings regarding you and what you say.
Also, saying "do some self-reflection" doesn't mean a whole lot when it comes from someone like you.
What is the purpose of this? Is it possible that perhaps I am involved in something else and that is why I departed? Is what I do with my time any of your business?
Yes it is possible. However given your standing habit of slinking out of here with your tail between your legs, the implication that you had done so yet again has more than a little validity.
I do concede it was a rather cheap shot, however. I would probably feel bad about it if it had been against anyone else but you.
I beg you to kindly bow out of conversations with me. Talking to you is like trying to watch TV through a substantial haze of static. I know you're there and I know you are trying to say something but I just can't quite tune you in.
It helps if you actually try, BS. Believe me. It will help if you actually try. Just once try and actually act like someone who deserves some small measure of respect and maybe you'll start to get it. Back up your claims, respond to points, stop dodging, etc.
As it is, I'm betting your reply will be along the lines of: baseless claim, followed by ad hominem, baseless claim, dodge, then whine, etc.