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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2011, 11:55:04 AM »
I am confused, he named all the animals on earth but he did not name the dinosaurs or did god create the dinosaurs before adam and eve?   
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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2011, 01:57:44 PM »
Brakeman:
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I was aware of that Gnu, I was waiting for someone to point that out as you did. Thanks.
However, Just what exactly would Adam and Even need livestock for if they weren't needed for food or milk?

They wouldn't need them for anything.

So the idea of having domesticated animals in Eden is an anachronism unthinkingly introduced into Genesis by its writer.
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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2011, 02:11:49 PM »
I am confused, he named all the animals on earth but he did not name the dinosaurs or did god create the dinosaurs before adam and eve?   

There are at least two schools of thought that I'm aware of. 

1. Man and dinosaurs lived together, and apparently they didn't fit on the Ark, or something.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=797_1172611796

2. Fossils are buried by the devil to fool people.



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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2011, 03:08:58 PM »
I am confused, he named all the animals on earth but he did not name the dinosaurs or did god create the dinosaurs before adam and eve?   

There are at least two schools of thought that I'm aware of. 

1. Man and dinosaurs lived together, and apparently they didn't fit on the Ark, or something.


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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2011, 04:15:32 PM »
So after the Fall, certain species became carnivores - which must have been a bit of a shock for the newly-designated prey species.

Tyrannosaurus Rex must have also being a bit surprised! I wonder what vegetation it used to eat before its 'The Hulk' like personality change.

Also sharks and crocodiles.  Was it fresh water or salt water in the Garden of Eden?
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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2011, 04:19:04 PM »
Also sharks and crocodiles.  Was it fresh water or salt water in the Garden of Eden?

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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2011, 05:23:06 PM »
Is Holy Water salty or fresh?
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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2011, 05:43:56 PM »
Is Holy Water salty or fresh?

Holy water is holy[1], so it is neither salty nor fresh.
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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2011, 05:45:32 PM »
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Tyrannosaurus Rex must have also being a bit surprised!
Well, I suppose so; but as a prey species myself, I find it a little difficult to empathize with my oppressors.

But if you force me to consider it, I guess it can't be very nice to have to survive by regularly sinking your teeth into the living flesh of sentient beings, causing extreme terror and pain in the process.

But to be honest, it's worse being on the receiving end. 

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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2011, 06:41:00 PM »
I guess sonce he didnt have a large vocabulary, he didnt have the words to name all the 6 trillion animals and insects that have come and gone over the billions of years the Earth has been around

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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2011, 07:54:13 PM »
Nor was he consistent

Where is the animal called a "swim"?
Or a "walk"?
(I suppose antelope comes close)

So how lazy was he in naming a fly?

Must have been the same lazy (and wrong) name calling fool who called this planet Earth. 
(I suppose it could've been worse, he could've named it "Soil")




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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2011, 09:28:02 PM »
 
(I suppose it could've been worse, he could've named it "Soil")

Or "dirt", even.

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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2011, 10:09:35 AM »
Adam got to name all the animals because that gave him authority and dominance over them.

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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2011, 01:59:10 PM »
Adam got to name all the animals because that gave him authority and dominance over them.

Unfortunately that skill was not passed down to Adam's descendants?

The next time I see a lion in the wild I don't think I am going to try saying

'I know you are a lion and you don't know what I mean by that term and because of that ignorance you have not right to eat me!!'.
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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2011, 05:13:22 PM »
No, it was more along the lines of dominion.  Animals don't care, of course, it's an excuse so that people can do whatever they want with animals.

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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2011, 05:57:21 PM »
I suppose, at the time it was written, there could have been the belief in the "real ", mystical name of something which gave you power (dominion) over it. Isn't that a fairly common superstition? Alas, these names were lost in the Tower of Babel incident, when the original language Adam and Eve spoke disappeared.

It would kind of fit into the mythology...probably has something to do with speaking in tongues as well.

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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2011, 03:02:02 AM »
I suppose, at the time it was written, there could have been the belief in the "real ", mystical name of something which gave you power (dominion) over it. Isn't that a fairly common superstition?

Ursula Le Guin uses this in her Earthsea series.
A mage/priest/cleric type tells you your real name when you become an adult. You don't tell anyone this name because it gives them power over you ... telling a love interest your real name is a massive deal, massiver even than telling them "I love you".
Learning the names of things is a separate subject at magic school (forgot what it's actually called in the books)
Along the same vein ... at one point in the books, dragons lose their ability to speak and become dumb beasts because of it.
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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2011, 07:52:11 AM »
It's a big factor in Patrick Rothfuss' Kingkiller Chronicles as well.

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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2011, 09:28:49 AM »
I thought the True Name thing was Egyptian.

For instance, in Egyptian mythology a woman named Isis learned magic and the trick of how to turn a snake into a stick.  She left the poisonous snakestick where a God (Ra or Amen, I don't remember) would walk out in the morning.  The snake revived and bit him.  He called for other Gods to come rescue him.  But the woman came right to his side and said she could cure him but had to know his True Name.  He did and she, by speaking it, gained Godly power and became (or became one with) the Goddess Isis.

Besides snakes into staffs and reverse, another power attributed to Egyptian magicians was the power to part waters so they would stand like walls held back by force fields.

BTW, Ptah created the Earth in 7 days.

Egyptians had purification rituals of someone immersing himself in the Nile.

The ancient Egyptian temples remained open until a Christian Roman Emperor closed them.  One Egyptian Christian, Anthony, became a hermit meditating in the desert when he was set upon by demons.  His demons are portrayed as a mixture of animal and human -- which is the Egyptian representation of their Gods and demons.  Demons had been regarded as dark angels but were portrayed as monsters afterwards.

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Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2011, 09:38:28 PM »
so i dont really see what the big deal with dinosaurs is.

the bible doesn't really mention them, but why would it need to?

a creationist will simply state that the flood wiped em all out, and that god used his magic powers to prevent them from eating humans pre-flood.   oh and of course, satan used his magic powers to confound carbon dating methods to fool non believers.