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« on: November 10, 2011, 12:12:20 AM »
How can you even parody this?

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Re: Wow
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2011, 02:17:02 AM »
Poe's Law:

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

Poe's Law in Reverse?

Ope's Law, or Eop's Law? 

How would that be described?  Something about fundies being phenomenally stupid and self parodic.

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Re: Wow
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2011, 02:36:45 AM »
I wonder what he is referring to specifically when he says "education." Is he talking about a complete removal of public schools, the withdrawal of federal funding of public schools or the federal legislation of public schools... and why didn't any one seem to even care? It didn't even seem to raise an eyebrow.
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Re: Wow
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2011, 03:26:41 AM »
I think any entanglement of the federal government in education or commerce is what he wants to be rid of.  So kids in Alabama can study the Buibull, and nothing else.  Readin' (the buybull), writin' (sermons), and 'rithmatic (add, subtract only).  Anythin' more is wastin' taxpayer money.  We need Republican voters!

Or, more likely he'd get rid of the departments, then discover he needed something just like them, and make whole new bureaucracies to replace what he cut, at phenomenal expense.

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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2011, 04:57:56 AM »
That is precisely what I thought it meant, but being from Texas I figured I was being biased against him. It would make sense though... if not for those pesky federal regulations holding back the Texas school board, I would have been learning the creation account of history in 2nd grade... or sooner. I can see it now:

Kindergarten bell rings: Ok kiddos, get out your crayons and draw us a picture of the only person that loves you... extra credit awarded for picking Jesus!
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Re: Wow
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2011, 06:50:59 AM »
What a dick.
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Re: Wow
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2011, 10:53:07 AM »
ah, yes, eliminate the Department of Education because we don't want people to be edjimacated and realize their leaders are lying to them. 

why are so many Republicans so stupid that even a king from ostensibly the "dark ages" CharlemagneWiki knew the value of education more than them?

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Re: Wow
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2011, 11:10:02 AM »
Quote from: Rick Perry
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Re: Wow
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2011, 11:40:53 AM »
I wonder what he is referring to specifically when he says "education." Is he talking about a complete removal of public schools, the withdrawal of federal funding of public schools or the federal legislation of public schools... and why didn't any one seem to even care? It didn't even seem to raise an eyebrow.

If I had to guess, I'd say he was piggybacking on ideas that the Cato Institute has been asserting for years.

http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/education/spending-cuts
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Re: Wow
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2011, 12:00:48 PM »
Perry was supposed to come in to this race like an unstoppable tsunami - he was going to unite the Christians and Teabaggers with the GOP establishment and big-money corporate interests, etc. and run on his "Texas miracle" to take down Obama...

Instead he just stumbles from fail to fail. It's been amazing to watch him self-destruct. To think, a few months ago I was scared of him becoming president, now I just wonder how this clown ever got elected even in Texas... 

Mitt Romney must sit there laughing every night when he watches this guy, Cain, Bachmann, etc. on the news - he's the luckiest man on earth.


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Re: Wow
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2011, 12:40:56 PM »
Dominionism occasionally takes a swipe at public schools.

I remember the late Rev. Dr. Kennedy of Coral Gables, Florida on TV stating that by 1820 the United States had 98% literacy because of parochial schools.

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Re: Wow
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2011, 02:17:08 PM »
I'm not sure what argument Perry is attempting to make, (I'm not even sure he knows), but an argument that IMO merits consideration is made by the CATO Institute that ends by saying:

http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/education/k-12-subsidies
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Having high quality K-12 education is a concern of many Americans, but that does not justify having a federal Department of Education. Canada provides an interesting comparison. Like the United States, Canada is a high-income federation with an advanced economy, yet it has no federal department of education. Public education in Canada is of sole concern to provincial and local governments. Interestingly, that decentralized approach has resulted in substantial experimentation and innovation, including school vouchers, charter schools, and competing public schools. International education achievement data suggest that children in several Canadian provinces, and the nation as a whole, outperform U.S. students in reading, mathematics, and science.48

In the United States, the federal government has expended hundreds of billions of dollars on the schools, yet all it has to show for it is stagnant test scores, huge bureaucracies, and masses of federal regulations that smother local innovation. The federal government’s poor track record proves how wise the Constitution’s framers were to leave such local activities to the states. Federal meddling in education should be scaled down and phased out, and control should be returned to the states and, ultimately to the people.


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Re: Wow
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2011, 02:55:02 PM »
left to the states, like Mississippi? I can see the point but many states and their populations don't seem to give a damn about educating their kids.
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Re: Wow
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2011, 04:15:01 PM »
I would guess Perry took debate lessons from George W.
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Re: Wow
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2011, 06:00:23 PM »
The sad thing is, I would tend to agree that having the fed taxing people (AND borrowing) just to give money BACK to the states, rather than the states taxing and paying for their own mandates is plain wrong.

There are indeed way too many federal programs.

But history has proven again and again, the Republicans will make no real cuts in spending, will continue to beggar the nation with borrowing, and let the ever-shrinking middle class carry the full tax burden.

The problem is, they'll spend just as much money, DIFFERENTLY.

Put me in charge.  We do not need a world-spanning military presence.  Save a trillion dollars a year shuttering or handing over global military bases built to fight the 'Cold War' that ended over 20 years ago.

We should NOT be the sole nation that spends blood and money on keeping petroleum 'affordable' for the world. 

We should NOT be the sole nation that goes in to 'fix' problems.

See how cheap a KIA or Hyundai or TV monitor or cell phone from South Korea is, if we leave them to pay to defend their own damned border.

The UN was chartered to work out problems like this.  We should work with the REST of the world to come up with a solution that doesn't bankrupt the US, because if we just up and STOP because we can't pay for all of this B.S. anymore, the shit will hit the fan.

We should not be 'Team America World Police'.

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Re: Wow
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2011, 09:08:04 PM »
The sad thing is, I would tend to agree that having the fed taxing people (AND borrowing) just to give money BACK to the states, rather than the states taxing and paying for their own mandates is plain wrong.

There are indeed way too many federal programs.

But history has proven again and again, the Republicans will make no real cuts in spending, will continue to beggar the nation with borrowing, and let the ever-shrinking middle class carry the full tax burden.

The problem is, they'll spend just as much money, DIFFERENTLY.

Put me in charge.  We do not need a world-spanning military presence.  Save a trillion dollars a year shuttering or handing over global military bases built to fight the 'Cold War' that ended over 20 years ago.

We should NOT be the sole nation that spends blood and money on keeping petroleum 'affordable' for the world. 

We should NOT be the sole nation that goes in to 'fix' problems.

See how cheap a KIA or Hyundai or TV monitor or cell phone from South Korea is, if we leave them to pay to defend their own damned border.

The UN was chartered to work out problems like this.  We should work with the REST of the world to come up with a solution that doesn't bankrupt the US, because if we just up and STOP because we can't pay for all of this B.S. anymore, the shit will hit the fan.

We should not be 'Team America World Police'.

totally agree. democrats and republicans represent different sides of the same coin. Where's the libertarian revolution?

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Re: Wow
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2011, 08:59:04 AM »
... now I just wonder how this clown ever got elected even in Texas... 

When was the last time Texans didn't vote for a clown?
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Re: Wow
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2011, 12:42:07 PM »
I wonder what he is referring to specifically when he says "education." Is he talking about a complete removal of public schools, the withdrawal of federal funding of public schools or the federal legislation of public schools... and why didn't any one seem to even care? It didn't even seem to raise an eyebrow.

If I had to guess, I'd say he was piggybacking on ideas that the Cato Institute has been asserting for years.

http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/education/spending-cuts
http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/education

Yeah, I think he's trying to get some libertarian credibility or something but the fact that he can't even remember which one of the three cabinet level agencies he wants to eliminate just demonstrates that he probably doesn't even really believe this shit.  As one of Andrew Sullivan's readers observed, this is pretty telling:

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There's been something about the Perry moment I couldn't put my finger on until this morning. His defense, of course, amounts to, "Everyone has a brain fart now and then." Of course that's correct, and the only response he can give. But here's the problem: We don't have brain farts about the substance of things we know well and care deeply about. So, if Rick Perry had carefully combed through the federal budget and concluded that the functions of those three agencies were either unnecessary, or best moved elsewhere, he'd know that. He'd know that he wanted to either eliminate funding for energy research, or move it elsewhere. And thinking about the substance of the issue for a millisecond would give him the name of the department he planned to cut.

He forgot because he doesn't actually plan to do any such thing. He forgot because he was just trying to remember talking points - talking points about which he doesn't evidently care much. Apart from the implications for the country about electing someone so seemingly duplicitous, his erstwhile supporters ought to be especially upset: If a major part of his appeal is slashing the size of government, it looks like he's just playing them. (Of course some of the others are too; they're just better at it.)

As far as the coming libertarian revolution goes, I wouldn't hold my breath.  As Michelle Bachmann of all people (correctly) noted, just about everyone seeking the office of the president is a socialists...even her fellow Republicans, who she (incorrectly) terms frugal socialists.
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Re: Wow
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2011, 12:54:57 PM »
I frankly do not see why Perry initially had the level of support he had. As a Texas resident I have observed Mr. Perry for a decade and he comes across as an empty suit quite frequently. He'd make a great manchurian candidate because he looks the part to many, but on his own appears to lack substance. The irony is that he fits the description of what the right that accused Obama of being, and that is nothing more than a man that could read from a teleprompter.

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Re: Wow
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2011, 01:15:06 PM »
Yeah, I agree completely.  As far as his support and popularity goes, I guess I should say that  I think that as a Texan you probably had an insight that most people on the outside looking in really didn't have.  I mean, from the outside, Perry looked formidable.  He's the longest serving governor in the country.  And the state he governs is the second most populous state and the state with the most jobs created since the downturn.  He's also a movement conservative running in a race where movement conservatives seem eager to support any Republican not named Mitt Romney.

All that said, I'm still not sure that I'd count him out.  He's got something like 15 million dollars in the bank and unlike Herman Cain, he seems to be trying to run an actual presidential campaign rather than a book tour.  In doing so, he's trying to get the votes of one of a group largely composed of bat shit crazy people who think Newt fucking Gingrich is a big thinker.  And most importantly, he's still not named Mitt Romney.


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Re: Wow
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2011, 10:01:42 AM »
I frankly do not see why Perry initially had the level of support he had.
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Well, here's an example of the kind of "expert analysis' of Perry's supposed strengths that I was seeing back in the summer. (Luckily it turned out to be wrong.)

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Perry will turn up the heat on Romney
http://www.statesman.com/opinion/perry-will-turn-up-the-heat-on-romney-1752217.html

And I don't think it's Perry's inarticulateness that really killed him among the conservative base. I think what hurt him the most were the attacks on his in-state tuition policy for kids of illegal immigrants, and his effort to inoculate girls against HPV. (I remember him getting booed when he said his opponents "didn't have a heart" - you can't say that to conservatives!). And Ron Paul kept reminding everybody that he was once a Democrat, and served as state chairman for Al Gore's 1988 campaign. So suddenly Perry found himself being painted as a closet liberal, I don't know if anyone saw that coming!

P.S. On the other hand, Perry's wife thinks he's being persecuted for his Christian beliefs (because we all know the GOP base is so anti-Christian!)

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Anita Perry says press, fellow GOP have ‘brutalized’ husband for his Christianity
http://www.mywesttexas.com/top_stories/article_da9bc1be-f699-11e0-ab4b-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1dVJM01wf

 
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Re: Wow
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2011, 07:24:12 PM »
And I don't think it's Perry's inarticulateness that really killed him among the conservative base. I think what hurt him the most were the attacks on his in-state tuition policy for kids of illegal immigrants, and his effort to inoculate girls against HPV. (I remember him getting booed when he said his opponents "didn't have a heart" - you can't say that to conservatives!). And Ron Paul kept reminding everybody that he was once a Democrat, and served as state chairman for Al Gore's 1988 campaign. So suddenly Perry found himself being painted as a closet liberal, I don't know if anyone saw that coming!

Very true.  Although I do think some folks that were more familiar with Texas politics predicted that this sort of thing would be an issue for Perry.  Here's Matt Taibbi and Keith Olbermann discussing some early Tea Party opposition to Perry:



But yeah, that "you don't have a heart" line wasn't a good look.  I mean, he was right but you don't tell people that you're trying to pander to win over that they're being heartless.  You tell them that reasonable people can disagree or whatever.  And this is where I think that this gaffe should damage Perry.  It should demonstrate that he's really just interested in pandering to people who sincerely believe in smaller government.  Instead, it will just feed into the meme that he's maybe not the brightest bulb on the tree.  But I'm not sure that this electorate in this cycle really cares about that.
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