but no matter what you say or who does it, men wearing ballet tights, short Daisy Duke shorts, or fitted biker shorts is still gay.
That is your subjective, homophobic point of view. I am sure that somewhere in the universe there is a culture that thinks gangsta thug wannabes with their pants hangin down around their knees and their hats all turned side-ways are the epitome of gay.
Someone thinks these two are cocksmokers.
*gay* - quality of a man doing, wearing, or being involved in something that the majority of men would historically laugh at and make fun of due to the fact that they charactorize it as a man card offense.
Historically? Are you sure you want to say "historically"? Because I do not think you do. At one point in history this was the height of manliness:
I think you mean the opposite of historically. Because historically makes my point for me - that your opinion on the matter is rooted in a particular time and place and does not consider general or abstract notions of manliness.
Historically, the ancient Greeks predeliction for banging pubescent boys was, at the time, manly. Certain current African tribesmen getting oral sex from boys is considered, by them, to be manly. Even in modern arab nations men hold hands:
Two fags? Or just different ideas of manliness?
Bottom line: it is subjective. Real men, like me, know that.
On a more serious note ST, it does matter what others think, especially when their line of thinking drives the train (I know you are familiar with this argument).
Yes and no. Social mores and norms are... social. And those determine gender roles. Thus, manliness is itself subjective, transient, historically unstable. You are trying to apply yesterday's ideas from a specific province to the world at large today. That makes your beliefs out of date. Stale. Old news. And not universally relevant. But if that is what you insist on, then damn the torpedoes and be the cave man you want to be with the understanding that is how you will be perceived. Either way, quit bitching about it. Real men don't whine about perceptions.
It seems, based on these depictions that as long as a man can find himself in a sexual setting with a woman that that somehow trumps all else and qualifies as man, especially if the woman is hot.............
That's because you omitted the photo of the guy with his face in the other guy's crotch. Here are some more manly men, because they don't give a rat's ass how girly you think they are. They know real men don't have to conform to narrow definitions of manliness.
Whoa, the Latinos! Well, one Lation. The one on the right, in case you couldn't tell. So gay, by TOT closet case standards. Pero, son mucho macho!
Punjabis. They may dress like Rita Moreno sans the pineapple, but in India, this is the equivalent of a tattoo of Rambo shooting the M-60.
Not only is this guy wearing a skirt, but he's also got a pink thong on too, if I'm not mistaken. And given that he's in an elite military unit, I dare say he would not have much problem killing a man with a rolled up magazine. Manly as hell.
Why would you even go here, for real? So because various people charactorize men who aren't "in touch with their feminine sides" as insecure in their manhood, I'm supposed to buy that crap? What-freakin'-ever!
Why? Because it seems obvious to me but an utter mystery to you.
At the risk of getting racial, maybe this is just a black thing in your case? Every black guy I've ever met has been preoccupied - borderin on obsessed - with proving/ asserting his machismo, as if the slightest whiff of femininity made him a cake-walking friend of Dorothy. You know, if you go to google and type in "homophobia in the" the second autofill is "homophobia in the black community". Do you think African American culture has a problem with homophobia?http://www.blacklightonline.com/phobia2.html
In a recent interview comedian Richard Pryor said, "Straight black people often have a hard time dealing with gays. All my life I've seen that macho shit in the black neighborhoods, where you try to eliminate someone mentally, to get out of dealing with them by saying, 'Oh, you're a faggot, you don't know from nothing .'"
another pretty good artcle on that topic http://www.tnr.com/article/put-differently/89921/tracy-morgan-black-men-f-word