gonegolfing: Why do atheists and whatever seem to walk on eggshells about stuff like this? Maybe because they feel they can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar.
The essence of what you're saying, at least as I understand it, is that religion's had its chance to prove itself and that now it's time for religious people to just suck it up and admit that they're wrong and atheists are right. Well, the only thing I see that accomplishing is to further convince them that atheists are just religious people in disguise who want them to convert to the atheistic 'religion' (no matter that atheism isn't a religion). Many of them already think that, and they're not going to change that opinion by atheists taking a hard-line stance to try to force them to change, because that ends up looking like evangelizing to them.
It doesn't matter that this is nonsense to you and to other atheists. What will matter is you telling them that they're wrong and that they need to change their beliefs. It doesn't matter that you say the evidence doesn't support their beliefs, because as far as they're concerned, they prove those beliefs are true practically every time they turn around. People will go to great lengths to defend what they believe in, and they will fight like nothing else against someone who tries to force them to change.
You say that a wrong belief deserves no respect, patience, or time? You say that they deserve ridicule? That's basically how they tend to treat atheists. Let me ask you, would you even be willing to give the time of day to someone who ridiculed you for being wrong (whether or not they had cause), and was disrespectful and impatience? Believe me, they've been at this for a very long time and they're better at it when it comes to playing by those rules.
You appear to be basing your position on the fact that theists have irrational beliefs and that atheism is far more rational. So why would you want be irrational towards them? That's like trying to get people to think calmly by screaming in their face.
Look jaimahlers, I've tried to make it clear that when it comes to this matter--the god idea--it's a failed hypothesis. It's over for it.
It's not about what I think or feel or what others think or feel. It's all about pointing out the facts about a primitive idea who's time has come and gone and that it is no longer worthy of a life of devotion or respect.
It's also not about me being right, but about what is true. And the fact of the matter is that the god idea as a temporal truth has been a fallacious idea from the beginning, and now with the vast amount of knowledge that we have and a superior intellect and understanding to our ancient ancestors:--there's no excuse whatsoever for this idea based on primitive reasoning to remain as a basis or answer to any questions with regards to our reality or our existence. I refuse to hypocritically candy coat or spread honey on my approach to theists because of this. To do so is phony and puts my character and integrity in question. Honesty is the ticket, and if you want to call that vinegar and avoid it's usage, then that's your business. It's not my style that's for sure.
I also don't give a shit that I may be called religious as an atheist. Name calling proves nothing and if their minds are unchangeable on that, then fuck em', I'll pour on as much vinegar back at them if that's the vinegar they're going to throw on me. They know damn well that atheists do not practice a religion and so their use of that term for us proves how small and shallow they really are. Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair colour. It's a retarded statement that only shows how desperate the theists are and how inept they are at trying to defend this nonsensical idea that they love so much.
Theists/believers are wrong. Dead wrong. They need to be told straight up that they're wrong.
And why you would use honey to declare that is beyond me. It's quite evident that 400 years of honey and science haven't worked in the way that you're imagining and so it's vinegar's time.
The god idea/Religion is bankrupt and it's only right that this fact be exposed in it's fullness by people who care about humanity and reality. If it takes ridicule or shame then so be it. I have no time for accommodationists or appeasers, they've had their crack at the can and have failed overall to convince theists of their folly. It's a shameful and harmful idea that needs to be shamed and made impotent.
Let me ask you, would you even be willing to give the time of day to someone who ridiculed you for being wrong (whether or not they had cause), and was disrespectful and impatience?
I'm giving you the time of day am I not ?
...Seriously though, yes, those are the ones that I like to focus on, those are the ones who need a strong tongue lashing and putting in their proper place, those are the ones who have made themselves the most obvious of fools and need correction and help with their stubbornness and arrogance. Those are the ones who want a fight and they sure as hell are going to get one from me. I'm not wrong. They are. And like children, it needs to be constantly reinforced to them.
You're damn right I want to see all people in the atheist position. It's the only viable position for the human mind to be in. The mind that is in this position is then free for better use to our current reality and to contribute to society without the limits or restrictions of a false idea and primitive reasoning. Without the god idea/religion/supernaturalism humans can be individuals again and enjoy their life to the fullest without oppression or stultification.
Do we need to talk about the hypocrisy of violence and abuse and fraud at this point ? I didn't think so. These very dark issues within religion cause enough shame in and of themselves to make my point clear.
The village idiot doesn't know he's the village idiot, and will always remain the village idiot until he's told that he's the village idiot. He may choose to remain the village idiot once told, but at least at that point he's fully aware that he is in fact the village idiot