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Question for Theologues
« on: October 26, 2011, 10:44:15 AM »
Among His many attributes, God is unchanging. We know that He got mighty pissed at humanity for having the audacity to build the Tower of Babel, reportedly 300 feet high. Getting too close to heaven, although with heaven outside of spacetime, one wonders why the concern? But, nevermind, the question is this - howcum we've since built many many skyscrapers which are much taller, yet the UNCHANGING God doesn't seem to have reacted. What gives?

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Re: Question for Theologues
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2011, 11:22:52 AM »
Unlike the skyscrapers of today the Tower of Babel probably wasn't built for business purposes.  You see Jesus/God is a capitalist and he must have thought that the Tower of Babel wasn't going to have a good enough return on the investment of resources that were put into it.  So his decision to cause people to speak in different languages was his way of dispensing financial advice.

Now you may be wondering how we know Jesus/God is a capitalist.  It's because this guys says so.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/100517
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Re: Question for Theologues
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2011, 12:36:19 AM »
[...]
Now you may be wondering how we know Jesus/God is a capitalist.  It's because this guys says so.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/100517
Wow, at first glance that Website is comical, but reading its content is frightening.
Talk about fascism unleashed. These folk are ostensibly the moral compass of society, yet the flat out lies and distortions of truth could only be the product of a pathology utterly lacking in conscience.
And we all know what undue influence they currently have in politics. Where are we headed?
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Re: Question for Theologues
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2011, 05:39:11 AM »
Unlike the skyscrapers of today the Tower of Babel probably wasn't built for business purposes.  You see Jesus/God is a capitalist and he must have thought that the Tower of Babel wasn't going to have a good enough return on the investment of resources that were put into it.  So his decision to cause people to speak in different languages was his way of dispensing financial advice.

Now you may be wondering how we know Jesus/God is a capitalist.  It's because this guys says so.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/100517

Yep, Jesus was a capitalist.
He told everyone to give away everything they owned and  hike around the land following a hippy.
That is the creed of every successful capitalist that I know.
The level of dumb they have to sell, is only made remotely possible by the level of flocking their sheep are willing to do in the name of rewards for no thought. quote: Kin Hell

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Re: Question for Theologues
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2011, 08:38:06 AM »
Among His many attributes, God is unchanging. We know that He got mighty pissed at humanity for having the audacity to build the Tower of Babel, reportedly 300 feet high. Getting too close to heaven, although with heaven outside of spacetime, one wonders why the concern? But, nevermind, the question is this - howcum we've since built many many skyscrapers which are much taller, yet the UNCHANGING God doesn't seem to have reacted. What gives?

 :?

God is unchanging, but our perception of Him changes from day to day. Back in the Bible days, (I really have no idea of how I'm going to finish this sentence, but if Christians can come up with total shit, then so can I) Back in the Bible days, God had to conform to our expectations, so if we perceived God as being an idiotic troll, He behaved like that. It doesn't mean that he has changed, anymore than I would have changed if I suddenly typed like a Christian and started quoting Biblecrap.

2 Samuel 2:22 And Abner said again to Asahel, Turn thee aside from following me: wherefore should I smite thee to the ground? how then should I hold up my face to Joab thy brother?

There! Just because I quoted some Christian shit, does not mean that I are now one. My logic is impeccable.

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Re: Question for Theologues
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2011, 09:38:00 AM »
[...]
Now you may be wondering how we know Jesus/God is a capitalist.  It's because this guys says so.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/100517
Wow, at first glance that Website is comical, but reading its content is frightening.
Talk about fascism unleashed.

Yeah, that's the good old closet case, Bryan Fisher.  In quite a few other articles he is obsessed with gays and obsessed with being masculine enough.  The only guys I've heard of who spend so much time thinking about homosexuality and being frightened of effeminacy are ones who are gay.


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Re: Question for Theologues
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2011, 06:15:39 PM »
Among His many attributes, God is unchanging. We know that He got mighty pissed at humanity for having the audacity to build the Tower of Babel, reportedly 300 feet high. Getting too close to heaven, although with heaven outside of spacetime, one wonders why the concern? But, nevermind, the question is this - howcum we've since built many many skyscrapers which are much taller, yet the UNCHANGING God doesn't seem to have reacted. What gives?

 :?

It is my understanding the story in Genesis is to explain how the many languages came about.  It can also be seen as a cautionary tale about unity and arrogance.  Regardless, if one takes the story as literal, then the explanation why God doesn't seem to mind much taller buildings seems to be because the purpose of these buildings is not to touch heaven or be as God.  No doubt there are many other explanations and I cannot prove my understanding is correct. 

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Re: Question for Theologues
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2011, 09:14:59 AM »
Among His many attributes, God is unchanging. We know that He got mighty pissed at humanity for having the audacity to build the Tower of Babel, reportedly 300 feet high. Getting too close to heaven, although with heaven outside of spacetime, one wonders why the concern? But, nevermind, the question is this - howcum we've since built many many skyscrapers which are much taller, yet the UNCHANGING God doesn't seem to have reacted. What gives?

 :?


It is my understanding the story in Genesis is to explain how the many languages came about.  It can also be seen as a cautionary tale about unity and arrogance.  Regardless, if one takes the story as literal, then the explanation why God doesn't seem to mind much taller buildings seems to be because the purpose of these buildings is not to touch heaven or be as God.  No doubt there are many other explanations and I cannot prove my understanding is correct. 

Sincerely,

OldChurchGuy

Explanation? LOL. The Tower of Babel story doesn't even have the makings of a good kids faery tale! You'd have to be a moron to swallow that as an "explanation" for anything.
As for the "story" being an allegory about man's arrogance, even the most rudimentary acquaintance with psychology reveals what a crock that is!
So the perfect, all-powerful being, able to create entire universes at the snap of a finger, becomes enraged at the audacity of the inhabitants of his little ant farm to build a tower of comparative microscopic proportions.
A little psychology would tell you that most parents would be proud of their offspring building something, and praise them for their efforts, and encourage them.
But this supposedly PERFECT God exhibits base human-like jealousy and rage, and uses his power to inflict a horrible punishment with long reaching consequences. Sounds more like an abusive parent than a loving god. The arrogance obviously lies with the god, not the humans. So why would you worship an abuser?

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Re: Question for Theologues
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2011, 07:17:59 PM »
I appreciate your having an alternate understanding.

Your interpretation may be correct.  Regardless, may you find peace and joy on this website and in life.

Sincerely,

OldChurchGuy
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Re: Question for Theologues
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2011, 08:59:18 PM »
Among His many attributes, God is unchanging. We know that He got mighty pissed at humanity for having the audacity to build the Tower of Babel, reportedly 300 feet high. Getting too close to heaven, although with heaven outside of spacetime, one wonders why the concern? But, nevermind, the question is this - howcum we've since built many many skyscrapers which are much taller, yet the UNCHANGING God doesn't seem to have reacted. What gives?

 :?

If GoD is unchanging then how come GoD changed his whole demeanor in the new testament, the kinder gentler GoD.

I think OldChurchGuy was meaning an explanation of a phenomenon. 
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Re: Question for Theologues
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2011, 10:18:11 PM »
God didn't. Man did when he rewrote it. I am still trying to figure out why God would heal an amputee anyway? That would be like me trying to fix a tree with a broken limb or an ant with a missing leg.

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Re: Question for Theologues
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2011, 11:03:47 PM »
I am still trying to figure out why God would heal an amputee anyway? That would be like me trying to fix a tree with a broken limb or an ant with a missing leg.

The reason we humans don't fix broken tree limbs and ant legs is because those things are almost completely meaningless to us.  Are we also meaningless to God?  Most Christians try to tell us that God loves us more than anything, and that He considers us his special creation.  They often equate it to something of a father to son / daughter relationship.  So a better analogy would be to ask why you would bother to fix your son with a broken arm, or your daughter with the missing leg. 

That changes it a bit, don't you think? 

 

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Re: Question for Theologues
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2011, 11:33:12 PM »
I am still trying to figure out why God would heal an amputee anyway? That would be like me trying to fix a tree with a broken limb or an ant with a missing leg.

The reason we humans don't fix broken tree limbs and ant legs is because those things are almost completely meaningless to us.  Are we also meaningless to God?  Most Christians try to tell us that God loves us more than anything, and that He considers us his special creation.  They often equate it to something of a father to son / daughter relationship.  So a better analogy would be to ask why you would bother to fix your son with a broken arm, or your daughter with the missing leg. 

That changes it a bit, don't you think?
Starvation,earthquakes,tsunami's,flood's(one of God's favs),religous war and a myriad of other ways God has used to kill his creation. Hell if you believe in God (Jews) but not Jesus or are of another faith. If that is love,I want NO part of it!
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Re: Question for Theologues
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2011, 12:50:40 AM »
Sincerely,

OldChurchGuy

Explanation? LOL. The Tower of Babel story doesn't even have the makings of a good kids faery tale! You'd have to be a moron to swallow that as an "explanation" for anything.
As for the "story" being an allegory about man's arrogance, even the most rudimentary acquaintance with psychology reveals what a crock that is!
So the perfect, all-powerful being, able to create entire universes at the snap of a finger, becomes enraged at the audacity of the inhabitants of his little ant farm to build a tower of comparative microscopic proportions.
A little psychology would tell you that most parents would be proud of their offspring building something, and praise them for their efforts, and encourage them.
But this supposedly PERFECT God exhibits base human-like jealousy and rage, and uses his power to inflict a horrible punishment with long reaching consequences. Sounds more like an abusive parent than a loving god. The arrogance obviously lies with the god, not the humans. So why would you worship an abuser?

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Enough with your bullshit.
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