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What is Satanism?
« on: October 23, 2011, 12:36:46 AM »
So I'm pretty curious about it. Frankly I don't believe in demons invading bodies or satanic rituals that call lucifer out or any of that but I'm interested in grabbing general opinions from our population here.

My brother is a Satanist, the kind who used to go to meetings with other Satanists, then stopped going and reads the book in private due to laziness. My GF also happens to be an ex-satanist, and she confessed to me last night that she has "three demons inside her body" and she's dead serious about it, though I honestly don't believe it...

Any ideas?

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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2011, 01:37:17 AM »
Sounds pretty crowded in there.  Id be careful...she might transfer one over to you while you are enjoying each others company.  Let up know if your head starts to spin and green stuff comes up.
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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2011, 02:45:19 AM »
I'm actually pretty kinky and Satanism doesn't creep me in the slightest, though I prefer no religion to any religion. In any cae, Satan > God every time. He's a rebel and he thinks whips and chains are hot, so he's a guy I can respect.

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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2011, 03:18:14 AM »
My GF also happens to be an ex-satanist, and she confessed to me last night that she has "three demons inside her body" and she's dead serious about it, though I honestly don't believe it...

Any ideas?

This could be a problem down the track. Emotionally stable people generally wouldn't claim something like that. All I can do is urge caution.
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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2011, 01:24:27 PM »
You may wish to ask DeathOverLife. I believe he considered himself a Satanist before he came over to the atheist side.
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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2011, 11:13:25 PM »
I remembered that lol. It wasn't True Satanism though. I was definately a Christian, but viewed the Christian Satan in a much more positive light (and still do) than most Christians, so in a way I seemed Satanic, but really wasnt.

I was heavily interested in the religion before my de-conversion from a Christian perspective, so I researched it to death.

There are indeed many differing forms of Satanism, but it all ultimately boils down to LaVeyan Satanism and Theistic Satanism.

Since there is such a vast amount of groups that claim Satanism (kind of like Christianity), I think the best thing for me to do would be to post a bunch of links of Satanic groups I know about, and you could pick and choose which ones to read about.

The big thing I will mention about LaVeyan Satanism are that most people who do claim Satanism, possessed by demons, etc. are actually of this branch of Satanism. The LaVeyan branch I would argue isn’t True Satanism, but rather religious atheism with Satanic imagery. Usually it is the belief that Satan is simply the carnal nature within man, being about indulgence instead of abstinence.  They do not believe in an actual deity nor an actual devil or demon named Satan. It is all indeed imagery simply used to represent your inner self and your inner “evil” I guess you could say. Pretty much what I do like about LaVeyan Satanism is unlike Christianity where you are supposed to adhere to 1 particular belief (let us leave the 38,000 different denominations argument aside here), for LaVeyan Satanism, it is ENCOURAGED to pick and choose what suits you, and it is still valid LaVeyan Satanism, according to LaVeyan Satanism. So, if you are like me where you like the describing of Satan as a symbol and reject the creed like the 9 Satanic Sins or refuse to be a card-carrying member to the Church of Satan, you are still a LaVeyan Satanist. If you are into the rituals and such, and prefer to live by every single word jotted by LaVey, you are just as LaVeyan Satanist as I, and many others would be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_LaVey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Bible

http://www.churchofsatan.com/

And there was a great interview with LaVey dealing with some of his belief’s and on music in this book, which also explores other parts of Satanism and Satanic Music:

http://www.amazon.com/Lords-Chaos-Bloody-Satanic-Underground/dp/0922915946/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1319427302&sr=8-1

For Theistic Satanism though, this is where there are many different religions and many different variations of Devil-Worship. This one it is just best if I do indeed just post different groups and if you are interested, just read the articles, otherwise this post would be an EXTREMELY long essay. I will use wikipedia to get an overall, general outlook on the religions, and for some, the official websites as well. I will say that although there are some forms of Theistic Satanism that isn’t Devil-Worship per say, but they believe it is possible to become a God through such “religious” means. With this being said, there are actually some groups that are heavily involved in National Socialism/Nazism. This kind is often called Fascist Satanism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_Satanism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_satanism

And the many differing branches include The Temple of Set, The Order of Nine Angels, The Temple of the Black Light/Misanthropic Luciferian Order, The Dragon Rouge for a few examples. This next kind is the kind that Christians want you to believe are rampant, but really, the amount of this kind are so small and miniscule, it is practically non-existent. These ones are True Satanists/Reverse-Christians/Orthodox Theistic Satanists, which is simply believing the Bible 100% just like a Christian, but instead of worshipping God, you worship Satan. It is simply doing exactly what the Bible tells you not to do, just to please the Christian Satan and piss off the Christian God. Pretty much, everybody else looks at them and just calls them Christians, since that is what they are.

The Temple of Set

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_set

http://www.xeper.org/

Here is a group that I didn’t mention called Joy of Satan.

http://www.joyofsatan.org/

The Order of Nine Angels (one example of a Nazi-Satanism group)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles

http://www.nineangles.info/

The Temple of the Black Light/Misanthropic Luciferian Order

Researching on wikipedia, it is only giving me the Blackened Death Metal band Dissection from Sweden. If I were to use them, I would research their album Reinkaos, as the lyrics are pretty much nothing more than tenets and beliefs of the MLO. Seems all official websites of the organization are down so all I can give you is the band Dissection here. It is still an organization though, not a music group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissection_(band)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_N%C3%B6dtveidt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinkaos

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dissection/183

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Dissection/Reinkaos/108787

http://www.dissection.se/

The Dragon Rouge

With this, I can only get the founder of the belief on wikipedia. Where on the MLO the blackened death metal band Dissection is the representative band on the beliefs, this one will be the Symphonic Opera Metal band Therion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Rouge

http://www.dragonrouge.net/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therion_(band)

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Therion/94

http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Thomas_Karlsson/49307

And for fun, here is another form of Theistic Satanism called Luciferianism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferianism

This one Satanic group I actually despise, called the Son of Sam. I despise it greatly because I found out from a criminal channel that the group is very into animal sacrifices and actively sacrifices German Shepherd Dogs and little animals for their Satan.

There is little to no wikipedia information on them, but they do provide information on them a little through their infamous serial-killer, David Berkowitz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_Sam

With all this being said, and with how I am still seeing how religion works, although Anton LaVey created his own religion using atheism as a crutch, I think there is very much Truth in what He said when He was describing Satan as one’s inner self. I say this because although all these religions worship all these Gods and are the Vicars of such, I really see them doing more than practicing LaVeyan Satanism. Pretty much, instead of calling it “Satan”, they are calling it “Jesus” or “Allah” or “Vishnu” etc. Because of this, and to understand Anton LaVey more, I am interested in getting his book The Satanic Bible.

http://www.amazon.com/Satanic-Bible-Anton-Szandor-Lavey/dp/0380015390/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1319427835&sr=1-1

One last thing I will mention, although it seems they are all coming up with their own views, rituals, and things of that sort, they all seems to have a similar influence from Frederich Nietzsche who wasn’t a Satanist, but rather a philosophical Nihilist. I will say I am very interested in His’ works and would like to research more about him. He also coined the popular phrase God is dead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederich_Nietzsche

I don’t know if you are also interested in other occultic beliefs that are viewed as Satanic, but aren’t per say kind of like Aleister Crowley and his Thelema religion.
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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2011, 12:39:28 AM »
*Jaw drops slightly* I just... wow that's a lot to read, I didn't know it was that big. +1

So how many of them believe demons can invade your body? All?

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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2011, 08:07:48 AM »
I thought a demon had invaded my body this morning but it turned out to just be gas. ;)
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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2011, 08:28:52 AM »
I thought a demon had invaded my body this morning but it turned out to just be gas. ;)


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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2011, 02:01:47 PM »
*Jaw drops slightly* I just... wow that's a lot to read, I didn't know it was that big. +1

So how many of them believe demons can invade your body? All?

I would say only certain sects of them. Since it's been a while since I really did research, I can't say, but it would be certain branches of Theistic Satanism. I would easily assume the Christian Devil-Woshippers would believe such. Like in some of the sects that really believe it, like David Berkowitz with Son of Sam for example, find out that they are highly schizophrenic. Like I said, LaVeyan Satanism is extremely atheistic, just under a religious light. Although not Satanic, I would say Voodoo really believes in the demon possession.

Ps: I haven't even mentioned many other sects, like I forgot about Gnostic Satanism for example.

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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2011, 04:09:18 PM »
So I'm pretty curious about it. Frankly I don't believe in demons invading bodies or satanic rituals that call lucifer out or any of that but I'm interested in grabbing general opinions from our population here.

My brother is a Satanist, the kind who used to go to meetings with other Satanists, then stopped going and reads the book in private due to laziness. My GF also happens to be an ex-satanist, and she confessed to me last night that she has "three demons inside her body" and she's dead serious about it, though I honestly don't believe it...

Any ideas?

Seeing as to how I've recently lost the filter between my mind and my mouth, l just gotta know; Why in the hell you hanging round these people?!?

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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2011, 04:23:34 PM »
One of "these people" is my brother and the other just happens to be my girlfriend, maybe? I didn't even find out about it till two days ago, so it's not exactly something I planned out.

My girlfriend is weird but I love her. Unless she flies into a "demon induced" rage on me, I'm not going to care much whether she's possessed (Supposedly) by a demon or not. I don't believe in them, but if they existed then I'm open minded enough to accept she might have one, or three.


And thanks for the specific names, DoL. I'll look into those.

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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2011, 05:09:39 PM »
So I'm pretty curious about it. Frankly I don't believe in demons invading bodies or satanic rituals that call lucifer out or any of that but I'm interested in grabbing general opinions from our population here.

My brother is a Satanist, the kind who used to go to meetings with other Satanists, then stopped going and reads the book in private due to laziness. My GF also happens to be an ex-satanist, and she confessed to me last night that she has "three demons inside her body" and she's dead serious about it, though I honestly don't believe it...

Any ideas?

Seeing as to how I've recently lost the filter between my mind and my mouth, l just gotta know; Why in the hell you hanging round these people?!?

What problems do you have with Satanists? If you really get the chance to learn about and really hang out with some Satanists, you realize that they are some pretty badass people. They do tend to be extremely thought-provoking, individualistic, and intelligent as well. Now, if you are referring to the schizophrenia, then although you may have a point, they still need to be shown that there aren’t real demons infesting them. It is all a product of themselves.

One of "these people" is my brother and the other just happens to be my girlfriend, maybe? I didn't even find out about it till two days ago, so it's not exactly something I planned out.

My girlfriend is weird but I love her. Unless she flies into a "demon induced" rage on me, I'm not going to care much whether she's possessed (Supposedly) by a demon or not. I don't believe in them, but if they existed then I'm open minded enough to accept she might have one, or three.

And thanks for the specific names, DoL. I'll look into those.

Anytime! The girlfriend you speak of isn’t that Molly girl for your avatar is it? Either way, I wish that there were more weird and gothic girls where I live. The more rampant girls here are either the preps, the gangstas, or the posers, or are the very girly girls I guess you could say.

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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2011, 07:00:50 PM »
Just how does one get possessed by a demon?
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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2011, 07:11:20 PM »
Just how does one get possessed by a demon?
On another forum I visit, a Catholic turned atheist started a thread asking for advice on how to become possessed.  I believe he tried several methods but none worked.  Maybe he didn't have enough faith.
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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2011, 07:17:56 PM »
Satanist: (Christian definition)  "Anyone who's not the same kind of Christian as me."

I guess if you take out a demonic loan and use your body as collateral or something....

Maybe that would really be repossessed or foreclosed by a demon.

I'm pretty routinely accused of being a 'satanist'.  Sometimes even of being a 'satinist'.  I actually prefer the more natural, inexpensive and durable cotton weaves. 

My cats are sometimes possessed by demons, but it comes and goes.

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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2011, 09:24:24 PM »
Just how does one get possessed by a demon?
On another forum I visit, a Catholic turned atheist started a thread asking for advice on how to become possessed.  I believe he tried several methods but none worked.  Maybe he didn't have enough faith.
Well, I was Catholic and now am an atheist so I volunteer.  One of you Satanists tell me what to do and I'll be the sacrifice or Guinea pig.  Who knows maybe we will make myth busters.
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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2011, 11:54:38 PM »
Anytime! The girlfriend you speak of isn’t that Molly girl for your avatar is it? Either way, I wish that there were more weird and gothic girls where I live. The more rampant girls here are either the preps, the gangstas, or the posers, or are the very girly girls I guess you could say.
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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2011, 01:05:10 AM »
Please, don't make me jealous lol. I agree with you 100%, and I'm single so...

It's just me, but I don't like looking at taken people with lustful eyes, unless both give consent and allow me to do what I want!  ;D

Polyamorous relationships ftw!  :P

Anyways, the best way I have ever seen somebody get possessed by a demon (or an attempt to) is right here:


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Re: What is Satanism?
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2011, 01:22:13 AM »
I've met a few straight edge Christians. Even a few straight edge atheists. Never met a straight edge satanist. What kind of drugs ya'll do?
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