Jews,gay and others

[Babdah]

when the Nazis killed the Jews. why was it wrong? every religion has done something that there god told them to do. how was this different? (i understand that Hitler used this as a escape goat for the problems that Germany was having) I have also seen that many Christians say that executing gays is ‘moral’. In many other countries that don't have set laws like we do in America have killed gays. Is it wrong for gay to start wanting to kill Christians? 

I no more care if the christian kill gay or the gays kills Christians. I see nothing wrong with it but in order to do this i think America should set up laws to protect the people that stand in the middle. 

Morality does not need god

[Willie]

Maybe there's someone out there who doesn't think there's anything wrong with killing YOU. Or your mom. Would you agree with that? Would you think that's just dandy and not insane at all?

[Babdah]

Maybe there's someone out there who doesn't think there's anything wrong with killing YOU. Or your mom. Would you agree with that? Would you think that's just dandy and not insane at all?

depends, if i could protect my self from it. if not then who knows

[dloubet]

Can you name a gay that kills Christians? You seem to be claiming an equivalence here of each side trying to kill the other, so let's have some names we can check out.

My prediction: no equivalence exists and the issue is entirely one-sided.

[Mr. Blackwell]

Can you name a gay that kills Christians?

Can we pull up people from the past? If so Jeffrey Dahmer. It's not clear whether or not he targeted Christians specifically but he was gay.

[dloubet]

If he didn't specifically target Christians, then no, it does not apply to the issue in question.

He was also frickin' looney, so we're not talking a big common movement here. Maybe I just moved the goalposts, but when we think of people who are willing to kill gays, we think of entire southern states in the US filled with Christians, when we think of gays that are willing to kill Christians we think of...?

I got nothin'.

[L-Chaim]

when the Nazis killed the Jews. why was it wrong? every religion has done something that there god told them to do. how was this different?

Well for one Hitler was not a god so why the analogy with religion ?

(i understand that Hitler used this as a escape goat for the problems that Germany was having) I have also seen that many Christians say that executing gays is ‘moral’.

do you actually know people like this ?

if so i would say there are not adhering to the teaching of Jesus and they are not Christians. I can call myself the heavyweight champ but it dont make it so. confession of faith doesn't count for much James said Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. Namley obedience to the commands of God.

In many other countries that don't have set laws like we do in America have killed gays.

Name one of these many countries please ?

Morality does not need god

Oi vey i'm not going there !

[albeto]

when the Nazis killed the Jews. why was it wrong?

Is this a joke?

[Historicity]

Morality does not need god

Oi vey i'm not going there !

L-Chaim, before you comment further on Badbah consider this:

Well, i am a christian and and i do believe in a God, so before you guys start trying to bash me or anything just hear me out and lets have a good thought full conversion. i not here to convert any one. i believe every one has there own personal God weather it is Jesus or if your young and cant fiend for your self then it would be your parents, but anyways i hope to have some good conversations with you guys. God put me on earth to accompish a certain number of things. Right now I am so far behind, I will never die

I was just checking his ID to see if he indicated his national origin.  From his many mistakes in syntax, especially words left out[1] I don't think he is a native speaker of English.

I really can't figure out some of what he is saying in the OP. 

1.	Altho that is my most frequent error.

[Babdah]

when the Nazis killed the Jews. why was it wrong?

Is this a joke?

yes it was.... sarcasiam

Quote from: Babdah on Today at 11:42:20 AM

    when the Nazis killed the Jews. why was it wrong? every religion has done something that there god told them to do. how was this different?


Well for one Hitler was not a god so why the analogy with religion ?

because to the germany at the time he was. he brought them out of a lot of hard ships.

Quote from: Babdah on Today at 11:42:20 AM

    (i understand that Hitler used this as a escape goat for the problems that Germany was having) I have also seen that many Christians say that executing gays is ‘moral’.


do you actually know people like this ?

if so i would say there are not adhering to the teaching of Jesus and they are not Christians. I can call myself the heavyweight champ but it dont make it so. confession of faith doesn't count for much James said Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. Namley obedience to the commands of God.

http://minnesotaindependent.com/58393/gop-linked-punk-rock-ministry-says-executing-gays-is-moral

Quote from: Babdah on Today at 11:42:20 AM

    In many other countries that don't have set laws like we do in America have killed gays.


Name one of these many countries please ?

Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill

Can you name a gay that kills Christians? You seem to be claiming an equivalence here of each side trying to kill the other, so let's have some names we can check out.

My prediction: no equivalence exists and the issue is entirely one-sided.

No i can not but i am sure when it gets to a certain point it might start happening.

[Babdah]

Quote from: Babdah on Today at 11:42:20 AM

    (i understand that Hitler used this as a escape goat for the problems that Germany was having) I have also seen that many Christians say that executing gays is ‘moral’.


do you actually know people like this ?

if so i would say there are not adhering to the teaching of Jesus and they are not Christians. I can call myself the heavyweight champ but it dont make it so. confession of faith doesn't count for much James said Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. Namley obedience to the commands of God.

here is something else you might enjoy reading

http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2011/08/19/us-hate-crime-bill-will-force-christians-to-accept-sin/

[L-Chaim]

The Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill has not been passed.

[albeto]

No i can not but i am sure when it gets to a certain point it might start happening.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.  Sorry to have been thick.  I think, in general, the superior value of a secular moral code is illustrated in your examples and Hitler's regime was really quite dogmatic in essence. Generally, the gist of the goal was considered paramount and details weren't up for discussion.  That's why it was religious in nature.  A secular moral code takes into consideration the well-being of each individual and not the dogmatic ideology.  I suspect the GLBT community will have had so many years of suppression and being labeled scapegoats that as a community they would shun these same dogmatic tactics.  "Kill all the [fill in the blank]" doesn't make sense in a moral sense unless a dogmatic ideology is considered more important than the well-being of any individual or group of individuals.  The GLBT community doesn't have a dogmatic ideology such as the "gay agenda" they are accused of, so I don't see any comparison.  I hope I'm understanding your point better. If not, feel free to ignore.  :-)

[Babdah]

The Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill has not been passed.

It hasn't but the simple fact that it would even be considered is wrong. Uganda is a country where American-style evangelical Christianity is exploding, and there are close links between many American anti-gay preachers, politicians, and activists, and their Ugandan counterparts.

[jetson]

The Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill has not been passed.

It hasn't but the simple fact that it would even be considered is wrong. Uganda is a country where American-style evangelical Christianity is exploding, and there are close links between many American anti-gay preachers, politicians, and activists, and their Ugandan counterparts.

Yes - and it's likely that these American evangelicals are operating on some set of morals that no one else agrees with except hard-core Bible thumping zealots.  And the Muslims.

[L-Chaim]

The Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill has not been passed.

It hasn't but the simple fact that it would even be considered is wrong. Uganda is a country where American-style evangelical Christianity is exploding, and there are close links between many American anti-gay preachers, politicians, and activists, and their Ugandan counterparts.

Yes - and it's likely that these American evangelicals are operating on some set of morals that no one else agrees with except hard-core Bible thumping zealots.  And the Muslims.

Well if a culture defines it morals...whats your problem ? see what happens when objective moral values are taken away ? when men do what is right in their own eyes...chaos ensues. This is why you should recognize objective moral values.

[One Above All]

Well if a culture defines it morals...whats your problem ? see what happens when objective moral values are taken away ? when men do what is right in their own eyes...chaos ensues. This is why you should recognize objective moral values.

I'm not sure if you're pretending to be stupid or if you really are as big an idiot as you seem. You assume objective moral values (which just happen to be your own) and then assume that if people don't follow them, "chaos ensues". You have not proven anything, you've just been stonewalling

[Babdah]

Yes - and it's likely that these American evangelicals are operating on some set of morals that no one else agrees with except hard-core Bible thumping zealots.  And the Muslims.

The chair of the Democratic National Committee said Tuesday she would “certainly consider” spending money to combat anti-gay constitutional amendments next year in Minnesota and North Carolina. So in my opinion it isnt just hard-core Bible thumping zealots.

[Babdah]

Well if a culture defines it morals...whats your problem ? see what happens when objective moral values are taken away ? when men do what is right in their own eyes...chaos ensues. This is why you should recognize objective moral values.

when a culture is influenced by a myth that has yet to be proven how can you assume those moral are even right

[jetson]

The Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill has not been passed.

It hasn't but the simple fact that it would even be considered is wrong. Uganda is a country where American-style evangelical Christianity is exploding, and there are close links between many American anti-gay preachers, politicians, and activists, and their Ugandan counterparts.

Yes - and it's likely that these American evangelicals are operating on some set of morals that no one else agrees with except hard-core Bible thumping zealots.  And the Muslims.

Well if a culture defines it morals...whats your problem ? see what happens when objective moral values are taken away ? when men do what is right in their own eyes...chaos ensues. This is why you should recognize objective moral values.

There are no objective morals, that's the problem.  That's also why societies have laws, precisely because what is "objectively" moral to a culture or society, does not apply to every citizen.  Sadly, some of those citizens choose to go against those morals.  They are then faced with the laws against those actions.