I will be paraphrasing what I think your responses are.
Yeah, you might want to paraphrase what they actually say, rather than what you think they're saying. Less chance of error that way.
First I want to start with Historicity and Angfauglir and ask them why they are so hung up on God asking Abraham to offer up Issac? Think about it! Issac carried the wood (like Jesus carried the cross). Abraham was an old man when he had Issac so when Issac was hauling the wood up the mountain for the burnt offering, he could have bolted at any time. He had to be a young man. He could have overpowered Abraham and burned him up. Issac did get curious and ask "where is the offering"? (Jesus prayed for the cup to pass [talk about an unanswered prayer!!]) Issac had to be complicit!! Both he and Jesus were reluctant (human maybe).
First, why are you so hung up on this story being a foretelling of Jesus? You seem bound and determined to fit this into the Christian mythos, instead of reading it as it actually is. Second, as for why Isaac did nothing, he was probably quite pampered by Abraham (given that he was born when Abraham and Sarah were both very old), and so had no reason at all to mistrust his father's intentions until he was already bound and helpless on the altar. Furthermore, even if Isaac was a young man, that probably means he was just barely a man, as in, a teenager. Age and cunning trumps youth and strength.
The question was asked: "So tell me then.....where exactly is the "temptation" in Gen 22:1? If Yahweh knew it was all a fix, and Abraham knew it was all a fix....who exactly got tempted? And tempted how?" God tests (tempts) all believers, not you guys, believers. 1 Corinth 10:13 "No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it." God provided a way out for both Abraham and Issac.
So...God isn't sure of believers? That's the only reason I can think of to test them. You test those you're not sure of. As for tempting them, that is just banal, because a temptation is a deliberate effort to get someone to do something wrong. Furthermore, if Abraham knew that it was a test and that he wouldn't truly be expected to kill his son, then the test was meaningless.
You guys are so hung up on God asking Abraham to offer up Issac yet will probably go ballistic against pro-lifers over your support for abortion.
This has nothing to do with anything, and furthermore, it is nonsensical.
Screwtape asked me if I wanted someone else to be punished for my bad deeds, or am I willing to take responsibility for myself? Inferring I (jtp) choose to be irresponsible and have someone else take it. " That's what the Bible says, not me, I'll take it. I don't want to be judged by God. I'll receive the judgment God gave Jesus.
The fact that you don't want to be judged by God suggests that you know you would not pass such a judgment. I suspect you have not considered the possibility that "you are saved if you believe in Jesus" is a test to see what believers will take the easy way out instead of taking responsibility for their own mistakes.
I know plenty of Christians who are irresponsible, don't let the hypocrites stand between you and God. The Bible says you will know Christians by their fruit - Gal 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law." That's what Christians are supposed to exhibit.
And so far you've exhibited practically none of those 'fruits' towards the people here. You clearly aren't willing to love atheists, you don't show them peace, you don't forbear from treating them badly, you certainly don't act with kindness or goodness, you're anything but gentle, and the less said about your self-control, the better. About the only thing you do is show faith, but your faith is a weak and fragile reed, you who are not willing to face God's judgment and instead takes the easy way out.
Velkyn (kcrady, too), Jesus sacrifice and God's judgment of Him does sound crazy to the rational mind. How did 40 Biblical Authors in a span of 1500 years make this all up? Without any contradictions or mistakes? Was Jesus that smart He could nail 130+ prophesies without a hitch? In my mind I don't get it, it's a heart issue. You must be born again!
The reason it sounds crazy to the rational mind is because it's inherently irrational, based not on actual facts but on emotional beliefs. There are plenty of obvious signs of hindsight rationalization by Christians to justify Jesus being the prophesied messiah, and more hindsight rationalizations to justify why there are still Jews despite the "coming of the messiah". But you blatantly ignore all of that and more so that you can hold to your beliefs no matter what. You are letting your heart rule your head, yet you forget if you ever knew how easy it is for the heart to be misled.
Velkyn says that I'll be disappointed on my death bed because Jesus didn't return. I don't anticipate His return in my lifetime, so, I'll die like you will Velkyn. He is returning for a spotless bride, Christianity has a loooooong way to go.
I wonder if people 2,000 years from now will still be telling themselves this in order to further rationalize why Jesus hasn't come yet.
Pride! I was being sarcastic with Historicty!! He claimed to be better informed or whatever because he read the Bible. You guys always get "in-our-face" quoting people allegedly smarter than you or having read the Bible or whatever to make you point. Pride has nothing to do with it. Let me have some fun.
Like it or not, it came across as pride, which you are now busily claiming wasn't actually pride so you can say you didn't just violate one of the seven deadly sins. Honestly, do you think God would ignore your sophistry in pretending you didn't mean what you clearly meant?
Killa: God is real whether you or I believe in Him or not.
Belief will not cause a real being to become imaginary, nor will it cause an imaginary being to become real. But real beings have real effects that can be measured and observed. Everything you and every Christian say God does and did is wholly subjective and thus can't be measured or observed. That is to say, the 'cause' is believed to be God, which is entirely subjective.
Believing does not make one feel better about himself. It brings conviction and a constant reminder that we can never measure up to Jesus or God's expectations, the OT proved that.
Belief brings conviction, all right. But you would do well to remember that conviction can cut both ways. People who do evil in God's name have just as strong of beliefs and just as much conviction as those who do good in God's name. As for not being able to measure up, that's just an excuse to avoid trying.