This "dying" for our sins stuff is so strange. Especially given that many christians say he is coming back. Which means he's not very good at dying. So why should we be impressed by any of his other skill sets?
We believe He is coming back because He is so good at another skill set: Resurrection.
The sum total of the reasoning behind this belief is the ancient ramblings of people who didn't know enough to keep their crap out of their food. Honestly, this is the year 2011. Get over it. Jesus is not coming back, and if he existed at all, he sure as hell did not resurrect in the first place. It's been 2000 years, with hundreds of failed end time prophecies. I just don't get how rational people can believe this stuff.
I'm with jetson here. The entire thing is hopelessly embarrassing. Really.
At least God has a sense of humor.
LOL Bwahahahaha YEAH he does!
Oh, that Yahwah! What a jokester lulz!
Voltaire had your guys world view and stated that "in 100 years the Bible would be a book relegated to Antiquity" (in museums).
Imagine Lennon who basically said the same thing.
What's your point? Were Voltaire and John Lennon supposed to be magical future telling prophets or something? They're just people, and everybody's guilty of a little wishfull thinking now and again.
But you know, it seems to me there WAS some kind of allegedly magical prophet type guy who once said he was going to come back "before the last of this generation passes the Earth"... Wish I could remember who that was. I remember he really hated fig trees... Well anyway, that was 2,000 years ago... Ain't happened yet. Maybe the rigormortis in his zombie joints just made slow on the draw?
Well, point is, prophecies and predictions ain't worth s**t, regardless of who makes 'em. You should stop believing everybody and their brother can predict the future. It kinda makes you look like a rube.
Christianity IS on the decline, though. Has been for decades now. This is why the religious right are always crying about how we're growing apart from god and forgetting god or how we need to get back to god or get more god in our lives.
Good luck fellas (luck or chance is the basic foundational cornerstone principle/"fact" of your world view).
You know, I'm getting really fucking sick of you telling me what my world view is, ya unbelievable douche burger. I'm sure I'm not alone. You don't know me, and you don't know WHAT my worldview is, other than the fact that I don't believe the goofy ass fables about your magical Jewish zombie on a stick or his foreskin collecting pappy.
You might look like jolly ol' St. Nick, but you don't even know if I'm naughty or nice. Tell you what though, you keep making smarmy little assumptions about me and acting like you have a fucking clue who I am or what I'm about, and you'll find out with a quickness.
This is me being nice.
So it's either luck (chance) or faith based on a book that has not been proven wrong. Which will you choose?
Those are my choices? Well I think you've provided one seriously bullshit multiple choice based on your own utter stupidity, but if those are my options, I'd take luck/chance. Hell, I'd take voodoo over your laughable holy book.
Sigh... Yes, it's been proven wrong. Over and over and over and over again. A 5 year old with Down's Snydrome can prove it wrong by pointing at a big boat and going "You can't put 30+ million animals on that."
Look here gramps, you want to keep your head firmly lodged up in yer dusty colon and ignore geology, physics, cosmology, biology, and basic common sense, while being utterly terrified of all things science, knock yourself out... All it does is reinforce your cult's image as archaic and completely out of touch with reality. And it don't change reality. You can say there was some "Noahic Flood" 4,000 years ago over and over until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't make it so.
I get it. I do. You're so utterly terrified of having anything in your murderbook contradicted or questioned, you'll deny ANY fact no matter how rock solid it is. You'll jump on the defensive before you even finish hearing the evidence. Hell, every post you make is defensive in some way and 3/4ths of the time nobody was even talking to you in the first place; you just drop in the middle of a thread being defensive and smarmy and pretentious and fearful and no matter what the response is to your gobbledeegook you only snowball the goofiness of your own rhetoric until you work yourself into a lather of self-rightous trolling.
What I don't get is what you possibly hope to accomplish. You come across as such a straight up unpleasant person, I can't imagine anybody sympathizing with you on a personal level... Your "arguements" such as they are, are ancient and feeble and covered in cobwebs, so I can't imagine anybody actually learning anything... Your "facts", when they're not twisted or misrepresented, are laughably transparent out-and-out lies, like the Noahic Flood thing, so I can't imagine anybody being swayed by Liars For Jesus...
I've got a pretty solid imagination, too. So I'm at a loss. You certainly aren't doing your cult any favors or making it look at all appealing lol.
Wait a sec... Nahhh. I know what you hope to accomplish. You want to feel good about yourself! Bingo! You want to be able to go around to your bible-beating buddies and brag about how you stuck it to those godless heathens, no? Score yourself some bookoo god points. You want to be the Mighty Christian Soldier, virtuous and cosmically superior, spreading gawd's truthiness from the tip of a sword...
But unfortunately you don't have a sword and even if you did I suspect the crippling arthritis would prevent you from using it effectively... So you have to settle for being all geriatric and crotchety in our little slice of the internet.
I understand that as you get older you grow more and more resistant to change, and you've made it abundantly clear how much change terrifies you... And how grateful you are that you can always go back to your unchanging holy book for a good ol' dose of stagnant farming metaphors... But it's worrisome that you and the weirdos like you want the world to remain stuck in the freakin' dark ages or something. The rest of us are excited about the possiblities of new discovery and cutting edge science, but you want to sit in your Laz-E-Boy and throw darts at anything that pops up because you just can't handle the idea of the world moving past you.
Bad news, buckaroo. It already has moved past you. Waaaay past you. A long, long time ago. The friction between you and your fellow humans comes from the fact that you can't accept this, and in fact have the vanity to think you've got your chubby little fingers on the pulse of the universe or something.
Dang, I wish they would have called it the magic particle instead of the God particle, even though God did create it if it exists. The magic particle will only make your world view less tenable.
Wit sharp like a banana on this one. Think you need to up your dose of Ginkgo-Biloba there, Redbeard.