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« on: October 01, 2011, 10:40:43 AM »
Don't ever go there.  They have a bunch of BS rules about how there can only be one atheist per thread, and that all the other little theists can basically gang rape the one atheist.  As soon as any atheist makes a good enough point that a theist can't counter, they lock the thread and place it "under review"   It's complete and utter bullshit.

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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2011, 10:44:56 AM »
This really isn't anything new. Most of the theist forums I've ever heard of have some sort of stupid rules to keep the atheists there quiet. Even when (officially) they don't, atheists are usually banned (or placed under moderation) pretty quickly once they reveal they are atheists
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2011, 10:48:53 AM »
LOL, I just saw my profile page there, and I've had five mods look at my page in the last 24 hours.  Freedom of speech my ass.

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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2011, 10:53:21 AM »
LOL, I just saw my profile page there, and I've had five mods look at my page in the last 24 hours.  Freedom of speech my ass.

That's all well and good. The mods have the right to check new members out. It should be standard procedure on any site
EDIT: Also, note that freedom of speech doesn't apply on privately owned websites, IIRC
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2011, 11:06:10 AM »
That's all well and good. The mods have the right to check new members out. It should be standard procedure on any site
EDIT: Also, note that freedom of speech doesn't apply on privately owned websites, IIRC

I know... I just think it's bullshit to silence someone without just cause.  It just sounds like communism more than anything else.

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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2011, 11:08:23 AM »
That's all well and good. The mods have the right to check new members out. It should be standard procedure on any site
EDIT: Also, note that freedom of speech doesn't apply on privately owned websites, IIRC

I know... I just think it's bullshit to silence someone without just cause.  It just sounds like communism more than anything else.

Now that's different. It's one thing to check out a member's profile, to see if it follows the rules, but it's another to silence them without just cause. I (and anyone with half a brain) agree with you that the latter is wrong, but the former is up to the staff
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2011, 11:13:44 AM »
This really isn't anything new. Most of the theist forums I've ever heard of have some sort of stupid rules to keep the atheists there quiet. Even when (officially) they don't, atheists are usually banned (or placed under moderation) pretty quickly once they reveal they are atheists

It's sad how some Christians get so defensive out of fear when someone challenges their beliefs. Some tend to take rational thought as an assault on their assurance of eternal life. If the moderators are banning members or moderating them simply for using rational arguments for atheism, it kind of makes me wonder what sort of content they are not moderating.  :o
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2011, 11:14:16 AM »
Don't ever go there.  They have a bunch of BS rules about how there can only be one atheist per thread, and that all the other little theists can basically gang rape the one atheist.  As soon as any atheist makes a good enough point that a theist can't counter, they lock the thread and place it "under review"   It's complete and utter bullshit.

Yep, been there, done that. I tried becoming a member a year or two ago. I was canned in my first thread, and I have a very non-threatening posting style! The more aggressive members here wouldn't even make it past their introductions post before the ban hammer comes down.

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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2011, 01:01:04 PM »
They don't want their house of cards tipped over.
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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2011, 02:13:54 PM »
I've been going there a bit lately.  I don't have much forum experience, but it's about the most awkward site I've ever come across.  A house of cards is an apt description.

To the mods' credit, at least the ones I've dealt with, they haven't banned me, despite moving and combining threads for me and my repeated occurrences of posting in threads that are for christians only.  I'm guessing even they agree the site is about the most worthlessly confusing amalgam of rules.

I haven't gotten into any actual debates in any threads, so that may be why I'm still around.  The one exchange I have been having is through their pm system with a single member.

   
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2011, 02:57:20 PM »
Have you guys checked out CARM.org?  It's run by a guy named Matt Slick (Slick?  That sounds like a used car sales man to me, but who knows, it might be his real name  ;) ) and he's pretty annoying in his videos.  Also, he puts up all the normal arguments against atheism such as the morality argument, etc.   But I have to say, they leave the forum section alone for the most part and let people flesh out their ideas and arguments. 

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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2011, 05:05:11 PM »
They're simple to get around, just post as a christian wanting help answering an atheist. It's slower, but they won't usually ban you, just give you bad advice..
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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2011, 07:44:31 PM »
Did you guys notice that they have ads and sponsors?
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2011, 09:05:16 PM »
This really isn't anything new. Most of the theist forums I've ever heard of have some sort of stupid rules to keep the atheists there quiet. Even when (officially) they don't, atheists are usually banned (or placed under moderation) pretty quickly once they reveal they are atheists

It can also apply to theists who are not of the same mindset.  I happened to participate on one for many months and especially enjoyed exchanging ideas with the evangelists.  To my surprise, they did not enjoy my questions.  Eventually, it was discovered I had listed my religious affiliation as Presbyterian so was told I could no longer participate in the evangelical section.  When I asked what group I could work with I was referred to the Calvinists.  Now THERE was an interesting group filled with "theological inbreeding" who didn't care for even a simple question like "Just what do Calvinists believe?". 

I agree that "house of cards" applies to some theists theology in that admitting they don't have all the answers or may need to admit they don't know seems to be tantamount to having no faith at all.

Enough griping. (although I do feel better).

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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2011, 09:20:13 PM »
I can understand differences in belief of God.  Some believe, some don't.  Those who do believe are fragmented on their belief.  It's gonna be that way with anything.  What I don't understand is the strict moderation of discussion.  Saying you can't talk to this group, only one atheist per thread, and other junk like that.

As long as it stays mostly civil, let people talk!

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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2011, 09:56:54 PM »
They're simple to get around, just post as a christian wanting help answering an atheist. It's slower, but they won't usually ban you, just give you bad advice..

Strange now, it occurs to me I have seen a couple of members on this site say the exact same thing to the opposite affect. Could they be Christians posing as atheist seeking advise on how to deal with their Christian "friend"?
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2011, 12:16:07 AM »
It can also apply to theists who are not of the same mindset.<snip>

Now that surprises me a bit
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2011, 08:58:55 AM »
It can also apply to theists who are not of the same mindset.<snip>

Now that surprises me a bit

Yeah, no s**t! Especially with a guy like OCG!

That's like, I dunno, accusing Mr. Rogers of being in with the Latin Kings or something lol. Dude is the most laid-back and easy to get along with geezer you'd ever want to meet... Christian, Martian, or whatever.

What a bunch of dicks.  >:(
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2011, 09:56:41 PM »
It can also apply to theists who are not of the same mindset.<snip>

Now that surprises me a bit

Yeah, no s**t! Especially with a guy like OCG!

That's like, I dunno, accusing Mr. Rogers of being in with the Latin Kings or something lol. Dude is the most laid-back and easy to get along with geezer you'd ever want to meet... Christian, Martian, or whatever.

What a bunch of dicks.  >:(

Thank you for the kind words.  They are greatly appreciated. 

I had an epiphany today finishing up an audio book on the French and Indian War.  The author was trying to explain why the colonies had so much tension with Britain after the war was over.  His conclusion was the colonists were operating on a premise of freedom (i.e., the colonies were partners with the British government) whereas the British government was operating from a premise of order (i.e., the colonies were subject to British authority with little if any choice).  It hit me that this tension between freedom and order also applies to theology.  There are those theists who want order above all else and there are those theists who prefer freedom (which would include freedom to decide on atheism) above all else. 

The real tragedy is that both groups tend to see the options in an "either/or" mindset rather than an "and".  Easier said than done, I admit.

Enough rambling.

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Re: christianforums.com
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2011, 10:26:13 PM »
If you believe that the point of this forum is to deconvert people, then there is a 'desperate need'[1] to engage the random Christians who come here in a different manner, because they get repelled and banned, or go of their own accord very quickly. This has been attributed to them being overwhelmed by responses, but it's more likely because of unskilled and unfocussed argument style directed at them.


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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2011, 05:39:18 AM »
Just wanted to share with you the PM I just got... totally made my morning.


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Do you really think there is anything there of merit that deserves comment? I read it. FYI, you are violating essentially every rule of this forum. If there's a particular subject within Christianity that you wish to explore and exercise a little criticism, or even poke holes in, you can start a thread about that in this sub-forum. You might find a wide range of very good responses.
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If you just need to vent because of some past hurts, you can do so in a few other sub-forums. The society section has a few you may enjoy, (E & M?) or the CWR sub-forum here in our outreach section is also more open-ended.
Ha... religious people are the most CLOSED-MINDED ever. It's God's way or the highway. You'll burn in hell for eternity for not believing in Jesus. Yeah, that is real open minded.

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This is much more on-point, although you're still in violation of the rules by posting here in another's thread. The Bible is a Spiritual book, and to even be able to "see the Kingdom," one needs to be born again. IOW, the bible is a book for believers. As you allude to, the new birth is perhaps the greatest miracle.
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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2011, 07:20:15 AM »
http://www.christianforums.com/t7573972/

"ToHoldNothing" has made 1700 posts without being banned. He's a Buddhist libertarian, which makes him pretty close to atheist, and seems to argue as such. If he can do it, you can... after taking the right mind control drugz.

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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2011, 09:25:12 AM »
I was a member of that forum once.  They banned me after a month.  Not for any comments I had made on the website since I followed their rules to the letter but it was for an even stupider reason.  Apparently I'm known by some people, and they recommended that I be banned based on the controversy that I seem to take with me wherever I go.  This has happened to me on many websites.  I've even been banned from websites I was never going to join in the first place.  Weird.  http://imdb.com almost banned me once because of rumors about me.

People are idiots.

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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2011, 09:54:21 AM »
the controversy that I seem to take with me wherever I go. 

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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2011, 06:34:43 PM »
Don't ever go there ...

It has always been that way. I got suspended for 6 weeks one time just because I mentioned that there might not be a god as described by most Christians ... and I posted it in the atheist section. So, the place is useless unless your goal is to masturbate your own Christian spirit.


Apparently I'm known by some people, and they recommended that I be banned based on the controversy that I seem to take with me wherever I go.

That is why I visit most places under different names.

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« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2011, 06:43:07 PM »
I've even been banned from websites I was never going to join in the first place.  Weird.  http://imdb.com almost banned me once because of rumors about me.

People are idiots.

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« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2011, 12:10:03 PM »
^ I used to spend about 7-10 hours a day on the internet but for the past couple of years only about that much per week.  It is much quieter, and I do miss being on as much as I was, at times.  But, not so much anymore.  I can get the internet for my home again but I just haven't done it.  I'm thinking, at times, I like the quiet.

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