Something sad ...

[plethora]

If you don't want to imagine straight people have sex because you think they are ugly, that is fine. It doesn't make being a heterosexual disgusting

Exactly!!

If the words "homosexuality is disgusting" do come off as homophobic, my apologies to any gay people out there, it is just not my kind of thing.

See, this is where you are applying a double standard. You are contradicting yourself.

You are saying that, if I find heterosexual sex between two particular people unappealing, that doesn't make heterosexual sex disgusting.

But if you find gay sex between two men unappealing, somehow that does make being a homosexual disgusting!

How is this not being homophobic?

[Zankuu]

Are you just turned off by cunnilingus, fellatio, and/or anal penetration in all circumstances?

Yes I am just turned off by all that, it is all disgusting to me, in all circumstances.

If the words "homosexuality is disgusting" do come off as homophobic, my apologies to any gay people out there, it is just not my kind of thing.

So, regardless if the couple is heterosexual or homosexual you find that sexuality in and of itself is disgusting?

[rickymooston]

Damn shame, and so sad to hear.  Posted on my Facebook.

Don't get me started on some idiot who commented on that blog about why he was allowed to be gay at  14, and where were his parents!!!!!  Ffffuuuuuuucccccckkkkkkkkk.

Where were his parents may be the question but the question would be applied to them knowing about the bullying and doing something about it.

I was bullied for being gay.

My parents knew and didn't do anything. I didn't know they knew

I'm straight of course.

[Samuelxcs]

So, regardless if the couple is heterosexual or homosexual you find that sexuality in and of itself is disgusting?

Yes, I find all sexualities in and of themselves disgusting.

[Samuelxcs]

See, this is where you are applying a double standard. You are contradicting yourself.

You are saying that, if I find heterosexual sex between two particular people unappealing, that doesn't make heterosexual sex disgusting.

But if you find gay sex between two men unappealing, somehow that does make being a homosexual disgusting!

How is this not being homophobic?

Let me make this clear that you should be able to understand:

I am saying that if I find hetrosexual sex between two people unappealing, it is disgusting, to me.
If I find gay sex between two men unappealing, it is still disgusting as hetrosexual people having sex.

What you thought I was saying is not what I meant. All sex is disgusting, regardless of what type of people do it.

[Chronos]

What you thought I was saying is not what I meant. All sex is disgusting, regardless of what type of people do it.

Then why single out a particular sub-group to identify as disgusting when actually the entire group is equally disgusting?

[rickymooston]

Then why single out a particular sub-group to identify as disgusting when actually the entire group is equally disgusting?

I thought he said in his opinion, the activity was disgusting. For the record, as a non-homosexual, I agree, which is why I don't engage in gay sex or lol watch gay porn.  In my case, my view doesn't affect my opinion on gay marriage or gay adoption. I'm in favor of both. I can understand, in some cases, a family unit can involve people of the same gender. Adoption requires screening but sexual orientation is not what I'd screen a family unit for.  I don't think my opinion that such an act should be taken to mean that people enjoying those activites shouldn't engage in them. It only means, I don't want to engage in them. I have no right to tell people what concential sex acts they, as adults engage in. Thankfully, they have no right to impose such a judgment on me either. I'm embarassed that in Canada, gay sex was in fact illegal in my life time. That's just stupid.

On an intellectual level, I also understand, to the people who engage in it, in the context of a deep relationship, gay sex may also be beautiful. I assume, they must insert the same types of emotions I do, some of the time. I've certainly met homosexuals with meaningful deep relationships. I don't discuss my sex life with them and they don't discuss theirs. I'm not totally close to them but don't have any issues with their sexual orientation.

Any back to the OP. It really bugs me, he didn't get help. Seemed like a pretty nice, reasonably well adjusted kid. Imagine what he could have accomplished with his life.

A waste.

I bet, he left behind a lot of people. He was a good kid. I bet he was pretty giving as a person. I'm sure, he had friends and family, who are grieving for him. I hope no more suicides follow from this. One is enough. I'm sorry he made this choice. I hate bullies but he made the choice to allow the bulllies victory.

[DP86]

Rickymooston, this is completely off topic, but are you a canuck?

[rickymooston]

Rickymooston, this is completely off topic, but are you a canuck?

Yes. Rather proud we have gay marriage first, even if we didn't award it via the democratic process. 

I was bullied by an American of Mexican ancestry for "being a homosexual" when i was living in Toronto. I still hate the New York Yankees because they were his favorite team. I don't even watch baseball.

I looked a lot more "gay" than the kid in the video.  Of course, in my case, I wasn't gay. Frankly, I was surprised he got bullied but I'd imagine he must have come out and done so to a jerk? In my day, "coming out" was the last thing anybody would do.

[DP86]

Shake, son, me too! Canadian that is. Glad to see a fellow canuck here, though I think there is at least one more, (ParkingPlaces? Maybe? Can't remember).

I avoid Toronto at all costs as a rule, maybe that's just me being anti-social but it seems like there's just way too many people and not enough 'humanity' there if you know what I mean. How long ago was this bullying incident for you?

And Samuelxcs, I'm sorry you find all sexualities disgusting, cuz bonin' chiks is awusume!
 

[RaymondKHessel]

But seriously, if I were blindfolded, and given a blow job, and reached orgasm as a result, how would I ever know whether the person was a male or female?  A mucous membrane is a mucous membrane.

Lol... I love it when you get all romantic J. 

Say "mucous membrane" again... Only type it S L O W E R this time! 

Anyway, I guess it's not a popular opinion, but I also think the idea of male homosexual sex is revolting. Just all that hair, and sweat, and grunting, and the umm smells I've heard about, let alone the, uh, actual visual of butthole violations n' stuff... I just... I have a hard time even typing about it.

Now thanks to this thread I feel all self-consious and shitty because apparently "it's gross" is something I'm not supposed to think if I'm properly adjusted and enlightened or something...? That really sucks man, 'cos there's literally nothing I can do about it. It's involuntary! Kinda feel the same way about feet fetishes in all honesty lol. I mean come on they're like mutated little hands!!! SO gross.

I mean, look, a friend of mine worked as a manager at a porn store for awhile, and if I'd go in to meet up with him around closing time and there was gay porn on the in-house system, I'd seriously get pukey. First or second time it happened I ended up dry-heaving in that filthy porn store bathroom. Not pleasent.

I feel like a shitty person because I know that's got to be SO insulting to gay folks, and besides their sexy time stuff totally grossing me out, I've got zero problem with gay folks.

It's not like I think gay people are revolting as people - not at all; that's retarded. I mean s**t, 9 times out of 10 gay dudes are cleaner and better kempt than *I* am, that's for damn sure. They dress better, too. 

But yeah. The idea of the physical expression of mano y mano shagging gives me the screaming heebie jeebies, but in an emotional, social, human sense... Love is love man. Whoever it's between. And I think it's something that should ABSOLUTELY be encouraged. If you love somebody, love the hell out of them! Drive that s**t 'till the wheels come off! It's SO utterly wrong to tell people who or what they should love. Nobody's got that right. 

I look at it this way - who cares? Really. Who gives a f**k what people do behind closed doors? It's not like anybody's forcing me to watch all the intimate parts of somebody's relationship. Unless you've got some unorthadox relationships with your friends, chances are you'll never actually see *any* couple you know get freaky in the sheets in the first place, let alone the gay ones, so who cares?

Meh. So that's that. Guess I'm an a**hole that I can't appreciate all the facets of gaydom, but love is one of the greatest parts of living, and I will absolutely stand up for any two people's right to get gross with each other, whatever form that takes lol.

Just, gah... PLEASE don't talk about the gritty details in public man. It bothers me when ANYBODY does that; oversexed people who disclose detailed sexual accounts in public to people they don't know. Guy, girl, two guys, two girls... I'm not a prude at all, but come on. I don't know you, and statistically, in this country, chances are you're NOT that attractive that people would want to visualize whatever you're talking about. Just... keep it in your pants, and keep it to yourself unless we go way back.

Oh, and on topic... Sad is an understatement. That shit is fucking heart breaking. That poor kid. Feel even worse for his family; he's gone... But they have to live with it.

[jetson]

Ray, you are a riot man.  I'm discovering that homosexuals are generally not very public about their sex lives, just like heteros.  And that's the way it should be. 

But yes, man on man doesn't sound good in the context of sexual activity.  It's a visceral response to something that just does not make sense to heterosexual males.  And my wife tells me that women generally feel the same way about woman on woman.  Although, we all know how men seem to feel about that!

I would like to see the gay community be accepted as humans, without the need to refernece sexuality all the time.  That's probably wishful thinking, thanks to the rampant homophobia in this country, created by the bigoted, hypocritical, and hateful asshats that think they are better than everyone else.  Funny, when I was young, there were not all that many fat people, so the few were badly bullied and teased, IIRC.  But today, so many kids are overweight that teasing them has lost it's appeal, mostly.  Maybe we need more gays?

[RaymondKHessel]

^^^ I think a lot of the gay community gets a bad wrap because of the few super flamboyant, ultra hedonistic types that wear their sexuality on their sleeve and are always talking about it and drawing attention to it. The media, especially the religious right and the tea party d-bags, always point to these people and prop them up as poster children for the entire community.

Sexually flamboyant types constitute behavior that is not generally considered normal. You get plenty of it in the hetero community, but for some reason, especially among hetero dudes, it's just dismissed as crude or a lack of class or what have you, or mayb slimey and potentially diseased in the worst case... But certainly not indicative of some societal cancer that's eating away the moral fiber of the country or something! 

Guess what I'm saying is, you know, loud obnoxious whores come in all shapes and sizes and sexual orientations lol. But in the gay community, the loud obnoxious whores are often used as part of a deplorable smear campaign that I think is responsible for a lot of the misunderstandings and prejudices that people have about homosexuals.

Mostly speculation... Don't have a whole lot of experience with the gay community on a truly personal level, so I really shouldn't say much more on the subject, since I don't want to misspeak or anything.

[rickymooston]

Shake, son, me too! Canadian that is. Glad to see a fellow canuck here, though I think there is at least one more, (ParkingPlaces? Maybe? Can't remember).

I believe several people here are Canadian. For example, Ambassador Pony is, if I remember correctly, Canadian.

I avoid Toronto at all costs as a rule, maybe that's just me being anti-social but it seems like there's just way too many people and not enough 'humanity' there if you know what I mean. How long ago was this bullying incident for you?

Long long ago. I should be totally over it. I was lucky, it only lasted a year.

Haven't been to TO for a long time. Probably not the same; now, it is basically China is many places.

[Chronos]

Then why single out a particular sub-group to identify as disgusting when actually the entire group is equally disgusting?

I thought he said in his opinion, the activity was disgusting.

You may want to re-read his contributions. He described any sexual activity as disgusting. The question is not his opinion about sex being disgusting, but rather his attention to gay sex as disgusting when all sex is disgusting. That is singling out a particular group when actually the whole group is responsible.

[rickymooston]

The question is not his opinion about sex being disgusting, but rather his attention to gay sex as disgusting when all sex is disgusting. That is singling out a particular group when actually the whole group is responsible.

Maybe I should re-read.

The way i see it, if you are not involved in a sexual act, it doesn't matter whether you find it disgusting or not. The only way it would matter is if you are trying to assert influence.

Likewise, in the race debate, some people were unattracted to people of other races. There is no law that says, you have to find anybody beautiful or ugly. You like who you like. If you are not attracted, they will do quite well without you. No biggie.

I assume that boy killed himself because somebody bullied him? Still seems odd that he made the video and then killed himself.

[Emily]

This is a sad story. Jamey's sister was being teased for his death at homecoming. It's probably not so much a homopobic thing, it might be, but it might also be a bunch of kids being assholes.

Here's the headline from the Buffalo News
http://www.buffalonews.com/topics/school-bullying/article568353.ece

A lot of people showed up at his funeral, lined the streets incase of any protesters[1], but there were none. It's just shocking that has happened here because WIlliamsville North is a pretty "friendly" high school and supposed "pretty accepting" of everyone.  Also what hurts is that the week before his suicide the school held a ceremony speaking out against suicide and bullying.   

1.	the WBC, for example

[Samuelxcs]

Then why single out a particular sub-group to identify as disgusting when actually the entire group is equally disgusting?

I was talking about a particular subgroup because that is what the topic was about, it was about a homosexual child killing himself because of a homophobic bully, there was nothing that talked about any other group even though all are disgusting. (nothing personal)

[Chronos]

Then why single out a particular sub-group to identify as disgusting when actually the entire group is equally disgusting?

I was talking about a particular subgroup because that is what the topic was about, it was about a homosexual child killing himself because of a homophobic bully, there was nothing that talked about any other group even though all are disgusting. (nothing personal)

Yes, the OP was about a student who committed suicide because he was bullied about being a homosexual. You stated homosexuals are disgusting, and when asked why, by me, with examples of sexual acts committed by everyone regardless of orientation, you responded with negative karma



with the comment you are very disturbing, and next acknowledged, in thread, that all sexual acts are disgusting.

This thread started over the death of a student who was bullied, not about any sexual acts he may or may not have committed, but just because he identified as homosexual -- gay. In all likelihood, he probably had committed no further act than masturbation, which you think is disgusting because all sexual acts are disgusting. (It doesn't matter to me if you think all sexual acts are disgusting -- so be it.) But, when you say homosexuals are disgusting, you are, in fact, singling out a sub-group irrationally and inappropriately for the same behaviors committed by humans at large.

By posting in this thread, homosexuals are disgusting, you are, indeed, contributing to bullying behavior. You even do it in a thread about the bullying of a single homosexual student who killed himself. I had even given you credit, previously, thinking that you must have posted your statements out of context, that you really must have meant something else, but you have reiterated your remarks that, separately, homosexuals are disgusting. It matters not if you think every sexual act is disgusting because you repetitively single out homosexuals in a thread in which the OP never revers to any sexual act committed by the now-dead student. It's nothing personal, right? It was very personal to him because attitudes, actions and remarks, said by others but like the one you have contributed here, homosexuals are disgusting, indeed, contributed to his death. See the connection yet?

Consider, instead, that the OP was about the lynching of a negro in Mississippi. If you had stated black people are disgusting and when pressed for why, you may have responded with all humans are disgusting, you would still be guilty of singling out black people as disgusting. Do you see how this works? You do not consider that bullying behavior?


Am I missing something here?

[Samuelxcs]

Yes, the OP was about a student who committed suicide because he was bullied about being a homosexual. You stated homosexuals are disgusting, and when asked why, by me, with examples of sexual acts committed by everyone regardless of orientation, you responded with negative karma



with the comment you are very disturbing, and next acknowledged, in thread, that all sexual acts are disgusting.

This thread started over the death of a student who was bullied, not about any sexual acts he may or may not have committed, but just because he identified as homosexual -- gay. In all likelihood, he probably had committed no further act than masturbation, which you think is disgusting because all sexual acts are disgusting. (It doesn't matter to me if you think all sexual acts are disgusting -- so be it.) But, when you say homosexuals are disgusting, you are, in fact, singling out a sub-group irrationally and inappropriately for the same behaviors committed by humans at large.

By posting in this thread, homosexuals are disgusting, you are, indeed, contributing to bullying behavior. You even do it in a thread about the bullying of a single homosexual student who killed himself. I had even given you credit, previously, thinking that you must have posted your statements out of context, that you really must have meant something else, but you have reiterated your remarks that, separately, homosexuals are disgusting. It matters not if you think every sexual act is disgusting because you repetitively single out homosexuals in a thread in which the OP never revers to any sexual act committed by the now-dead student. It's nothing personal, right? It was very personal to him because attitudes, actions and remarks, said by others but like the one you have contributed here, homosexuals are disgusting, indeed, contributed to his death. See the connection yet?

Consider, instead, that the OP was about the lynching of a negro in Mississippi. If you had stated black people are disgusting and when pressed for why, you may have responded with all humans are disgusting, you would still be guilty of singling out black people as disgusting. Do you see how this works? You do not consider that bullying behavior?


Am I missing something here?

I see how it works, yes it could be considered to be bullying behavior to alot of people. I just say the truth, even if it might upset a majority of people. Some say "the truth hurts" but if it does it can be made to not hurt people. The truth can be changed to a better truth, though Some things never change.

[One Above All]

I see how it works, yes it could be considered to be bullying behavior to alot of people. I just say the truth what I think, even if it might upset a majority of people. Some say "the truth hurts" but if it does it can be made to not hurt people. The truth can be changed to a better truth, though Some things never change.

I fixed that for you. "Disgusting" etc are subjective

[rickymooston]

This is a sad story. Jamey's sister was being teased for his death at homecoming. It's probably not so much a homopobic thing, it might be, but it might also be a bunch of kids being assholes.

Bullying whether its homophobic or not, is about kids being assholes.

On what basis could they tease her? So odd. Some people really are f*cked up.

Also what hurts is that the week before his suicide the school held a ceremony speaking out against suicide and bullying.

  More odd to that he himself claimed to have overcome it.

[Chronos]

I see how it works, yes it could be considered to be bullying behavior to alot of people. I just say the truth, even if it might upset a majority of people. Some say "the truth hurts" but if it does it can be made to not hurt people. The truth can be changed to a better truth, though Some things never change.

When you use the word truth in that manner, it connotes some generally accepted, moralizing, perhaps universal, truth that you are claiming to reveal to others. While your opinion is true to you, it is not true in any general, universal way and you should parse your words more carefully. At most, you should state that you are conveying your opinion.

[Emily]

Also what hurts is that the week before his suicide the school held a ceremony speaking out against suicide and bullying.

  More odd to that he himself claimed to have overcome it.

[rant mode]
My husband works with a girl who has a locker a few lockers down from his. She thinks the ceremony might've pushed him over the edge, for whatever reason. That's just her opinion, and she didn't know him personally.

It's heartbreaking. Parents don't deserve this. They don't deserve to bury their child. His parents must've been accepting of him since they buried him in a Born This Way tee shirt. It's just sad. This kid could have been the one to discover time travel or teleportation, or be the first to discover alien life in the Andromeda's galaxy. Or he could've been the next Norman Borlaug, or he could be the one to lead the Buffalo Bills to their first Super Bowl championship, or the Sabres to their first Stanley Cup. But because of a bunch of douchbag what he would've brought into the world will never be realized. It's just too sad. This has shocked the city of Buffalo and emotions are running high.

Highschool sucks. It's scary. I don't miss it. Kids are impressionable. kids will tease other kids for whatever reason, but it gets neither side anywhere. Honestly, who cares if someone is gay or straight. Who cares. It doesn't affect your life, so who cares. if you think it's gross, who cares. If you were to express everything about yourself I am sure I'll find something disgusting about you, but who cares. It doesn't and shouldn't discredit you from holding that belief, choice, whatever. As long as it isn't harmful to anyone else, why should anyone care about how someone chooses to live their life. And why should someone care what someone else does in the bed room.

[plethora]

Let me make this clear that you should be able to understand:

I am saying that if I find hetrosexual sex between two people unappealing, it is disgusting, to me.
If I find gay sex between two men unappealing, it is still disgusting as hetrosexual people having sex.

What you thought I was saying is not what I meant. All sex is disgusting, regardless of what type of people do it.

It's clear now... it wasn't clear before. Thanks for clarifying.

... and for the record, I think that being asexual or just overall finding sex unappealing is just as valid as any other sexual inclination or orientation.

[Samuelxcs]

When you use the word truth in that manner, it connotes some generally accepted, moralizing, perhaps universal, truth that you are claiming to reveal to others. While your opinion is true to you, it is not true in any general, universal way and you should parse your words more carefully. At most, you should state that you are conveying your opinion.

Next time I will state I am conveying my opinion, as long as it is necessary. Not everyone can understand everything, but that does not change the truth, be it true to a single person or the whole universe in any way.

[Samuelxcs]

It's clear now... it wasn't clear before. Thanks for clarifying.

... and for the record, I think that being asexual or just overall finding sex unappealing is just as valid as any other sexual inclination or orientation.

I agree with that. Glad I could make it clear for you.

[frofrodajimmyboy]

Sam, I wonder what other natural states you also find horrible. Is being  black horrible? How about red- headed? Blonde? Maybe midgets are horrible to you too?

Open your mind, man. You sound like a fool.

Being homosexual for me is like going outside to lick dirt or a rotten tree. It is just not something I would do personally because I am not a gay person. All the kinds of people you say are not horrible to me, but not everyone and everything is good.

You're really missing the point.  We get that having sexual relations with a man would be unpleasant for you.  That's fine.  Personally, I think that peas are fare more disgusting.  Can't stand them.  Worst tasting food in the world.  But do I call everyone who eats them disgusting?  No, because I'm not a close-minded tool, and you shouldn't call an entire group of people disgusting because they like something you don't either. 

[Samuelxcs]

You're really missing the point.  We get that having sexual relations with a man would be unpleasant for you.  That's fine.  Personally, I think that peas are fare more disgusting.  Can't stand them.  Worst tasting food in the world.  But do I call everyone who eats them disgusting?  No, because I'm not a close-minded tool, and you shouldn't call an entire group of people disgusting because they like something you don't either.

I don't call people disgusting because they like something I don't. I call what they do disgusting because it is just the truth. Would you believe that having sex is not disgusting? Some say it is natural but sex is only for reproducing, nothing more. As for peas, if you don't like peas, that is fine. Having sex is completely different from eating peas or any other food. After eating food, disgusting things happen too. That is just the process of digesting food. It is still disgusting though, but we are not machines. We are only humans, we are not perfect. I am not a closed minded tool, I just know what the truth is, if someone says having sex is not disgusting, that can't be any truth because (for example) inserting your penis into a woman's vagina is disgusting. Only fools or liers would believe otherwise. You are free to believe what you want, I am not 'forcing' any beliefs on you, I am simply conveying my opinion.