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[Chronos]

Gay teen bullying victim who recorded an “It Gets Better” video commits suicide

Jamey Rodemeyer, a 14-year old from Buffalo, NY, is the latest victim of homophobic bullying on- and offline. Just months after recording the video above, Jamey committed suicide this week.

[jetson]

Damn shame, and so sad to hear.  Posted on my Facebook.

Don't get me started on some idiot who commented on that blog about why he was allowed to be gay at  14, and where were his parents!!!!!  Ffffuuuuuuucccccckkkkkkkkk.

[Nick]

Religion strikes again.

[Samuelxcs]

This is just a homophobe who thinks all gays should be killed. Maybe the bully was catholic? Being gay is horrible in my opinion, but if people want to be gay then they should be gay. Just don't be an imbecile about it.

[One Above All]

This is just a homophobe who thinks all gays should be killed. Maybe the bully was catholic? Being gay is horrible in my opinion, but if people want to be gay then they should be gay. Just don't be an imbecile about it.

You're as much of a homophobe as the bully. People don't "choose" to be gay and there's nothing wrong with it

[jetson]

This is just a homophobe who thinks all gays should be killed. Maybe the bully was catholic? Being gay is horrible in my opinion, but if people want to be gay then they should be gay. Just don't be an imbecile about it.

What is so horrible about being gay?

[Samuelxcs]

This is just a homophobe who thinks all gays should be killed. Maybe the bully was catholic? Being gay is horrible in my opinion, but if people want to be gay then they should be gay. Just don't be an imbecile about it.

You're as much of a homophobe as the bully. People don't "choose" to be gay and there's nothing wrong with it

Some people choose to be gay, etc. I am not a homophobic person. Some argue people don't 'choose' to be gay, some say they do or are born gay. It really depends on what they decide. Some are probably born gay but some change their sexualities. I knew some that did, but maybe they were just confused?

[Samuelxcs]

This is just a homophobe who thinks all gays should be killed. Maybe the bully was catholic? Being gay is horrible in my opinion, but if people want to be gay then they should be gay. Just don't be an imbecile about it.

What is so horrible about being gay?

It is disgusting, that's all, but there are other disgusting things too. I am just not a gay person, people do have different perspectives.

[One Above All]

Some people choose to be gay, etc. I am not a homophobic person. Some argue people don't 'choose' to be gay, some say they do or are born gay. It really depends on what they decide. Some are probably born gay but some change their sexualities. I knew some that did, but maybe they were just confused?

It's a choice? Really? Choose to like men then
PS: Those who "change" their sexualities don't change them. They force themselves to have sex with women/men, but they're still gay. Take Viagra and you can have sex with just about anything that has a hole

[Samuelxcs]

Some people choose to be gay, etc. I am not a homophobic person. Some argue people don't 'choose' to be gay, some say they do or are born gay. It really depends on what they decide. Some are probably born gay but some change their sexualities. I knew some that did, but maybe they were just confused?

It's a choice? Really? Choose to like men then
PS: Those who "change" their sexualities don't change them. They force themselves to have sex with women/men, but they're still gay. Take Viagra and you can have sex with just about anything that has a hole

Even if it isn't a choice, people are different. Their sexualities are different. Doesn't really matter if it is a choice or not.

P.s. I would not choose to like men anyway, it is not something that I would do because I am not a gay person. That is like saying "choose to jump off a mountain". Why would I like something so disgusting?

[One Above All]

Even if it isn't a choice, people are different. Their sexualities are different. Doesn't really matter if it is a choice or not.

It matters. Homophobes make homosexuals feel uncomfortable to the point of suicide and some (I'd say "most" but I don't have the evidence to back that up) have homophobic parents who indoctrinate them into believing that it's a choice

P.s. I would not choose to like men anyway, it is not something that I would do because I am not a gay person. That is like saying "choose to jump off a mountain".

Saying "because I am not a gay person" is a clear contradiction of your argument on whether sexuality is a choice or not
PS: You CAN choose to jump off a mountain

Why would I like something so disgusting?

You think you're disgusting? That's not very healthy. You should see a psychiatrist

[Samuelxcs]

It matters. Homophobes make homosexuals feel uncomfortable to the point of suicide and some (I'd say "most" but I don't have the evidence to back that up) have homophobic parents who indoctrinate them into believing that it's a choice.

I wouldn't make homosexuals feel uncomfortable to the point of suicide, that is horrible.

Saying "because I am not a gay person" is a clear contradiction of your argument on whether sexuality is a choice or not
PS: You CAN choose to jump off a mountain.

That's your opinion, also, I know people can choose to jump of a mountain, you misunderstood. What I meant by that was that telling someone to jump of a mountain (which would kill them) is a horrible thing to say, that's all.

You think you're disgusting? That's not very healthy. You should see a psychiatrist

People are flesh and blood, of course that can be disgusting. Btw, I did not say I liked myself, we are all humans and I would prefer to not exist at all than to live in this world, yet here I am. I have illnesses too though and I will see someone about them soon. Apparently, there is no cure for Asperger's syndrome (ASD).

[One Above All]

I wouldn't make homosexuals feel uncomfortable to the point of suicide, that is horrible.

Trust me, just by saying that you think homosexuals are disgusting you're feeding to the indoctrination some suffered from their parents and it can result in suicide

That's your opinion, also, I know people can choose to jump of a mountain, you misunderstood. What I meant by that was that telling someone to jump of a mountain (which would kill them) is a horrible thing to say, that's all.

Yet choosing to like men[1] would not result in any harm. So why won't you do it? Prove your point. Go ahead

People are flesh and blood, of course that can be disgusting.
Btw, I did not say I liked myself, we are all humans and I would prefer to not exist at all than to live in this world, yet here I am. I have illnesses too though and I will see someone about them soon. Apparently, there is no cure for Asperger's syndrome (ASD).

Like I said, you have some issues. Go see a psychiatrist. Or at least come back with better arguments for your point

1.	Assuming it's possible

[Samuelxcs]

Trust me, just by saying that you think homosexuals are disgusting you're feeding to the indoctrination some suffered from their parents and it can result in suicide.

I don't know how just by saying homosexuals are disgusting could make them want to kill themselves, alot of things are disgusting, it is just the truth.

Yet choosing to like men[1] would not result in any harm. So why won't you do it? Prove your point. Go ahead.

1.	Assuming it's possible

I said it was horrible for me because I don't like that kind of thing, that is all.

Like I said, you have some issues. Go see a psychiatrist. Or at least come back with better arguments for your point

People do have issues sometimes. You don't understand what I was trying to say seemingly. Maybe it was how I said them?

[One Above All]

I don't know how just by saying homosexuals are disgusting could make them want to kill themselves, alot of things are disgusting, it is just the truth.

Now THAT is an opinion. I have a friend who is so indoctrinated that he won't even date anyone, even if they are gay and he likes them. He lives every single day thinking what you think, that he is disgusting. I don't know why he hasn't killed himself yet

I said it was horrible for me because I don't like that kind of thing, that is all.

And you also said it was a choice. So CHOOSE to like it

People do have issues sometimes. You don't understand what I was trying to say seemingly. Maybe it was how I said them?

I understand that you are a homophobe with issues. Is there anything else I should understand?

[Samuelxcs]

Now THAT is an opinion. I have a friend who is so indoctrinated that he won't even date anyone, even if they are gay and he likes them. He lives every single day thinking what you think, that he is disgusting. I don't know why he hasn't killed himself yet

People can be very delusional...

And you also said it was a choice. So CHOOSE to like it

I meant it was a choice for other people because they claimed that they changed sexualities. Some gay people think they are not gay at first but then realize it later in their lives.

I understand that you are a homophobe with issues. Is there anything else I should understand?

Understand that I am mentally ill, I have Asperger's syndrome (maybe look it up?) and I am not a homophobe but you can believe what you want.

[One Above All]

People can be very delusional...

Like believe people can choose to like things they don't like? I agree

I meant it was a choice for other people because they claimed that they changed sexualities. Some gay people think they are not gay at first but then realize it later in their lives.

So you're going by their claims? To quote Gregory House: "Everybody lies."

Understand that I am mentally ill, I have Asperger's syndrome (maybe look it up?) and I am not a homophobe but you can believe what you want.

I know what Asperger's syndrome is. I've seen every episode of House and Wilson reads its definition in one of the episodes of the 3rd season. It's not something that can cause incoherency or any signs of severe mental illness (talking to yourself, hallucinations etc)
PS: I know you are a homophobe because of your attitude towards homosexuality

[Samuelxcs]

Like believe people can choose to like things they don't like? I agree

People can change.

So you're going by their claims? To quote Gregory House: "Everybody lies."

It doesn't make any difference if I do 'buy their claims'. Everybody lies? I have no reason to lie, lies are unnecessary.

I know what Asperger's syndrome is. I've seen every episode of House and Wilson reads its definition in one of the episodes of the 3rd season. It's not something that can cause incoherency or any signs of severe mental illness (talking to yourself, hallucinations etc)
PS: I know you are a homophobe because of your attitude towards homosexuality

People have different symptoms of ASD, not everyone shows all of them and not everyone has all of them. I am not a homophobe even if you think I am, people are different and if someone seems to be a bad person it does not mean they are. For me personally, liking other men 'that way' is horrible, for other people it is good enough.

[One Above All]

People can change.

That's not a change in attitude, it's a change in sexual attraction, which is an involuntary process

It doesn't make any difference if I do 'buy their claims'. Everybody lies? I have no reason to lie, lies are unnecessary.

If you don't buy their claims then why do you present them as evidence? You don't have any reason to lie here, where anonymity is assured. IRL[1] on the other hand...

People have different symptoms of ASD, not everyone shows all of them and not everyone has all of them.

And yet not one of the symptoms of ASD can make you incoherent

I am not a homophobe even if you think I am, people are different and if someone seems to be a bad person it does not mean they are.

I have evidence. Homophobia is defined as hatred and/or disgust of homosexuals and/or homosexuality. You are a homophobe even if you think you aren't

For me personally, liking other men 'that way' is horrible, for other people it is good enough.

For me personally, liking other men "that way" is as normal as any of the other three "sides" of sexuality[2]

1.	In Real Life
2.	Asexuality, heterosexuality and bisexuality

[Dante]

Sam, I wonder what other natural states you also find horrible. Is being  black horrible? How about red- headed? Blonde? Maybe midgets are horrible to you too?

Open your mind, man. You sound like a fool.

[jetson]

It is disgusting, that's all, but there are other disgusting things too. I am just not a gay person, people do have different perspectives.

Fair enough, but I think you are solely referring to the sexuality of homosexuals, correct?  You are disgusted that a man can insert his penis into another man's mouth , or anus, correct?  I can understand the thought of that sounding "disgusting" to a heterosexual.  But here's the important distinction - neither gay nor lesbian relationships are any more about sexual activity than a heterosexual relationship.  In fact, I think it is practically identical. 

In other words, the gay and lesbian friends that I have, tell me that their sex lives can be as active and exciting, or as minimal and mundane as a heterosexual couple.  If I had to pick an argument for those who are either homophobic, or simply anti-gay, it would be that being homosexual is NOT all about the sex.  That is just the perception of those who are completely ignorant, and have never taken the time to get to know a fellow human being who is in every way identical.

Here's something else that's difficult to argue against.  As disgusting as homosexual sex might sound to some people, the result is probably the same in the vast majority of cases.  Two people engage in sexual activity, and probably achieve an orgasm, and feel amazing afterwards, maybe even smoke a cigarette - LOL.  But seriously, if I were blindfolded, and given a blow job, and reached orgasm as a result, how would I ever know whether the person was a male or female?  A mucous membrane is a mucous membrane.

Anyway, at the risk of making you even more disgusted, I will stop now!  Just some thoughts to consider, and they are just my opinion.

[Chronos]

What is so horrible about being gay?

Having to live up to the stereotype of always making smart choices in clothing and interior decorating.

It is disgusting, that's all, but there are other disgusting things too. I am just not a gay person, people do have different perspectives.

What is disgusting, exactly?

Is the circumstance of being gay disgusting? You probably don't mean that. I hope you don't mean that. If you are referring to the act of a penis being inserted into an anus and getting fecal matter all over it, I could see that as disgusting. Fecal matter is something to avoid for health reasons. Did you know that most people who are into anal penetration (whether they are homosexual or heterosexual is not relevant in this circumstance) make certain preparations -- let's just call it anal douching -- in order to eliminate the fecal matter prior to doing the dirty deed?

Is placing a penis in your mouth disgusting? Perhaps. Maybe it's more than you can handle? Did you know that in the absence of a urinary tract infection, urine is sterile? There are rarely any issues of cleanliness in fellatio, except right at the moment of ultimate happiness (just ask Monica Lewisnky).

Is placing your tongue around and inside a vagina disgusting? There are rarely issues of cleanliness there, also, but women are a little more likely to have issues down there that affect the experience of cunnilingus because, well, that whole area has multiple functions and oozes things a penis cannot. So, much like their personalities, women leave different signatures down there -- some signatures may not be to your liking. I suppose that penises could pose similar issues, but I've never been up close and personal with another penis to know if that is so.

Since heterosexuals also participate in these activities, are heterosexuals disgusting? If you refer to the sexual acts as disgusting, that's fine with me, but why associate those sexual acts only with homosexuals and then phrase it as something like homosexuals are disgusting? This is why others think that you are contributing to the harassment of gays. Incorrectly associating things that may be disgusting (to you) with a sub-group that isn't the only group that does these disgusting things is prejudiced.

Are you just turned off by cunnilingus, fellatio, and/or anal penetration in all circumstances?

[rickymooston]

This is just a homophobe who thinks all gays should be killed.

I don't understand what you mean. I think your emphasis is on demeaming the  homophobe but I'm unsure.

Maybe the bully was catholic?

Why does this matter? I certainly know many anti-gay Catholics who think bullying gays is wrong. I was bullied by anti-gay Catholic. I wasn't actually gay but that was his excuse to buly me; I apparently looked effeminate to him and I was shy/unaggressive. He was also Mexican. Oddly, I neither hate Mexicans nor catholics per se. I still hate him and I hate the New York Yankees, his baseball team. I hate baseball but I'm only happy if any other team wins.

Being gay is horrible in my opinion

I can interpret this sentence in many ways.
a. "As a heterosexual male, who is attracted  to women, being attracted to men isn'y my cup of tea." I agree with this sentence because i'm not gay.
b. "Society treats gays poorly and I wouldn't want to be subject to that treatment." I agree with this sentence.i've been subject to that treatment and i didsn't like it.
c. "I personally think having a family is important. Homosexuals don't do this and thus being gay would suck. I'd not want to be gay." I like kids and so I agree with this too. I met a lesbian who explained to me how much effort she put into trying to fit in and be "normal". She even dated a gay sahe liked. It grossed her out when he kissed her. She's happier now understanding she is attracted to hot women. I like her; she is a cool person. At the time she told me about her experience, she hadn't come out to her dad who was very close to her. She had a unique relationship with him. I really hope that turned out o.k.; I hope she is out and that he still has a good relationship with her.
d. "I think gay sex is gross. Those bits shouldnt go with ..." I probably agree too but objectively speaking all sex acts can be gross on some level; the reason they don't gross us out has to do with all kinds of chemicals in our brain overidding whatever aversion we really should have. If the act doesn't involve you, why care. The thought of ugly people having sex kinds of grosses me out too. I'm not obligated to have sex with ulgy peole and people unattracted to me are not obligated to have sex with me either.
e. "Homosexual sex is a bad life choice but we live in a free country". I would disagree with this sort of sentence. I know some gays who seem pretty happy as gays. While I as a heterosexual don't "understand" on an experiential level, i do understand that they love who they love and being with who you love is important.
f. "Homosexuality acts are s a sin and its a choice" I agree that the Christrian bible is anti-gay and thus that its a "sin" by definition. I disbleive the bible. I think, we understand people are the way they are better. I prefer our modern view to one punishing people for this. Many homosexuals as homosexuals are productive happy members of society.
g. "homosexuality causes diseases and is bad in many ways". Well, all sexual acts come with some risk of disease. One hope people do acts in a safe way.

but if people want to be gay then they should be gay. Just don't be an imbecile about it.

This is an asshole statement. The gay rights movement is people who are gay asking society to stop imposing itself on them. The reason they are interpreted as being imbciles is more about other  people imposing thier valudes on these people than anything else.

The gay rights movement isn't about making straight people gay. Its about accepting that some people are gay, born that way basically, and while any sexual act is a "choice" being concenting adults, being gay really isn't

[rickymooston]

What is disgusting, exactly?

Its a subjective feeling which typically is caused by:
1) a lack of attraction
2) a perception that something can cause disease to you
3) Some other subjective subconcious factors that I'm unaware of and that are personal to the indivual; e.g., I find lima beans disgusting.

I don't think it matters if somebody thinks somebody else's sex life is disgusting. Lets be honest, 99% of people will find it disgusting to see ugly people having sex or old people having sex or ...

There is nothing wrong with being "disgusted". NO one is obligated to like somebody else's sex acts. The problem is lording one's preferences on others.

Are you just turned off by cunnilingus, fellatio, and/or anal penetration in all circumstances?

I'm turned off by anal sex. The reasons I'm turned off are related to the other use of one's rear. Quite obvious.

I'm sure it feels really good for the person putting his slong in there but ... I also undersad that the position of the prostate may make it feel good for some people to get that. I've no clue how my own prostate is positioned.

As for cunnilingus, I'd be turned off be this, if I wasn't attracted to some women. Its probably a risky activity; there are all kinds of things that can happen down there.

Why stop tho. Ordinary sex is a risky activity. If I wasn't attracted to women and thought about what could happen if the other person ... or thought deeply about what my own parts do ...

I think any sex act would be gross if the adversion wasn't overriden by desire.

[Samuelxcs]

You misunderstand, maybe you are hearing what you want to hear? Some people are never happy. If people are a homophobe just for thinking homosexuality is disgusting, lots of people are homophobes in that case. This is not the same thing as thinking being 'black' is horrible (BTW they are brown, not black). Homosexuals are not a race, they are people too, so are people with red or blonde hair or any other hair color, sexualities, and so on. I am not a racist either. I just don't like what gay people do that is all, if everyone liked the same thing, what kind of world would that be? Things would be very different.

[Samuelxcs]

Sam, I wonder what other natural states you also find horrible. Is being  black horrible? How about red- headed? Blonde? Maybe midgets are horrible to you too?

Open your mind, man. You sound like a fool.

Being homosexual for me is like going outside to lick dirt or a rotten tree. It is just not something I would do personally because I am not a gay person. All the kinds of people you say are not horrible to me, but not everyone and everything is good.

[plethora]

@Samuelxcs

First of all, the only thing that is horrible about one actually being gay is being told by others that they are disgusting and horrible for that reason.
What happened to that boy is fucking tragedy.

Second... there is a spectrum between straight and gay. I happen to be 100% straight. I've known men who are maybe 90% straight having had only one gay experience or two. I also knew a gay man who told me that, for the most part, he preferred men but every once in a while he'd meet a woman he actually felt attracted to and he didn't mind having sex with them. Then there are those who are 100% gay.

To claim some of them are "confused" is bullshit. They feel confused because the society they live in wants to steer them in a particular direction, not because of the nature of their sexuality. Who a person is attracted to is not a choice and they should not be forced to make a choice between genders either.

Third, you may find the idea of gay sex gross. So what? When was the last time you were invited by gay couple to watch them have sex? How often does that happen? Never happened to me.

There are plenty of straight couples I do not want to even imagine having sex because I personally don't find them attractive. So what? Does that mean that heterosexual sex is disgusting? Of course not.

If gay sex is unappealing to you, that's fine. It's unappealing to me as well.... but the worlds "homosexuality is disgusting" mean something else and they do come off as homophobic.

[plethora]

^^^ Oh... and I assume you only meant gay sex between males is unappealing to you.

Homosexuality is not limited to men. When you use that term, it includes women too.

[Samuelxcs]

@Samuelxcs

First of all, the only thing that is horrible about one actually being gay is being told by others that they are disgusting and horrible for that reason.
What happened to that boy is fucking tragedy.

Second... there is a spectrum between straight and gay. I happen to be 100% straight. I've known men who are maybe 90% straight having had only one gay experience or two. I also knew a gay man who told me that, for the most part, he preferred men but every once in a while he'd meet a woman he actually felt attracted to and he didn't mind having sex with them. Then there are those who are 100% gay.

To claim some of them are "confused" is bullshit. They feel confused because the society they live in wants to steer them in a particular direction, not because of the nature of their sexuality. Who a person is attracted to is not a choice and they should not be forced to make a choice between genders either.

Third, you may find the idea of gay sex gross. So what? When was the last time you were invited by gay couple to watch them have sex? How often does that happen? Never happened to me.

There are plenty of straight couples I do not want to even imagine having sex because I personally don't find them attractive. So what? Does that mean that heterosexual sex is disgusting? Of course not.

If gay sex is unappealing to you, that's fine. It's unappealing to me as well.... but the worlds "homosexuality is disgusting" mean something else and they do come off as homophobic.

I agree what happened to that boy is a tragedy.

I know about the percentages of people of being straight/gay/whatever.

People shouldn't be forced to make a choice between genders, they should do what they feel is necessary.

I do think the idea of gay sex is disgusting or 'gross'. Why would I want to watch anyone have sex? You make it sound like a bad thing that people don't invite you to watch them have sex, maybe you like to watch that stuff but I don't.

If you don't want to imagine straight people have sex because you think they are ugly, that is fine. It doesn't make being a heterosexual disgusting, but to what you said earlier;

Are you just turned off by cunnilingus, fellatio, and/or anal penetration in all circumstances?

Yes I am just turned off by all that, it is all disgusting to me, in all circumstances.

If the words "homosexuality is disgusting" do come off as homophobic, my apologies to any gay people out there, it is just not my kind of thing.