I am pretty sure you knew what I meant and are just nit-picking now.
I reply to what you state; if you're speaking metaphorical or using broad assumptions and expect everyone to just "get it", you're sadly mistaken; such devices should be used in different types of discussions not direct ones, such as this.
And yes, I am stating, not just implying, that trade schools are not real colleges.
So far the only person I've even seen imply that "trade schools" are colleges is you. I do not think trade schools pretend to be what they are not unless they are purposely trying to scam the person. As long as it is accredited -- who cares?
There are many subjects in which you could not improve without having feedback.
Really? Such as what?
If you wrote your first essay on your own and never received any feedback, how would you know which of your skills needed improvement?
It's not difficult to write an essay; nor is it difficult to write anything at all; what is difficult would be to find a publisher for such a thing; not because what is written lacks any merit but because the publishing world is full of people who are lazy and expects everything to be perfect before they publish it; why they have editors is beyond me. Oh, and just to let you know -- writing is my field, and has been for 20 years. Yes, critical comments on one's work is necessary, at times, however, if one is not critical of themselves its pointless for anyone else to be.
I guess you could consider that discussing things on a forum like this is teaching you debate skills, but I doubt it would prepare you well for an oral debate.
If you're speaking in general, I agree, however if it's just pointed at me: I do this purely for entertainment; however, though I do the latter I still try to participate as much as I can, be productive and all that that way I just don't seem to be trolling, or what not.
I don't know of anyplace in America where you can get a job as a doctor without a medical degree. I don't know of anyone who would want to go to a doctor who didn't have a medical degree. There are plenty of jobs that you can't get no matter how qualified you think you are unless you have the degree.
It seems you're assuming that I think that anyone off the street should be able to get any job they want without something to state they can do it. That's not what I'm saying at all. There are certain jobs, I feel, that take no brains whatsoever, like being a garbage man, or janitor, or whatever, and yet in many places where I live one has to have at least a high school diploma to get those jobs; or to go to the places that teach those jobs, or what not. I find that pathetically stupid; especially since the corporation and/or business usually have a training program that teaches the individual person how to do the job in which they are not only hired for but also as to how they want them to do it. If I wanted a job sweeping trash off the streets in the city I live in: I need a high school diploma to do it. These are the ridiculous things in which I'm talking about; how, politicians make it even difficult for the poor and uneducated
to even find a job. They're told, "Hey, you need an education to sweep our streets!" and the poor man/woman says, "I tried to get one but you wouldn't give me one." etc.,
Usually people learn basic skill sets of what they wish to do with their lives (and sometimes not) while a child, and to deny that child as an adult a job that they can do, perhaps better than anyone else, just 'cause they do not have a piece of paper that says they can either do the job or the requirement to get the job, I find ridiculous.
I can type 120 wpm with no errors. I can read 350-400 wpm with high comprehension. Yet, I still, to this day, can not get a job as a typest, data entry, or anything simple as those things 'cause I do not have a high school diploma. That, to me, is ridiculous. It would be different if I was trying to be the CEO of the company, or perhaps even an editor
but just to type some words into a computer or on a typewriter that takes little to no skill at all? Please...and some say it's just the individual companies that are doing this but it's not; in many cases: it's the state that require the companies to do this for whatever reason; perhaps to keep us poor people in our place.
The statistics show that people with college degrees earn more than high school graduates, and those with graduate degrees earn more than those with bachelor's degrees.
At 19 I was making $30,000 a year. You know what I was doing? I was working 12 hours a day processing chicken. To think, I wanted better for my life and to get better I had to take a huge pay cut and then be rejected a plethora of times. I still think I should go back doing the same job; I mean, I could be making $50,000 a year now doing that easy as hell job.
You can argue all you want about how your self-education is just as valuable, but there aren't many employers who are going to take your word for it, or give you elaborate tests to see if you really are well-educated, when they can just hire the applicant who has the degree.
Where did I state or imply that my self-education was a value to anyone else but myself? You're going to have to point that out for me. It seems to me you think that I stated something to the effect of, "Well, I taught myself so I deserve these jobs!" -- which I never stated. I'm just giving my opinion on something; I'm explaining, or at least trying to explain to you why some people, such as myself, are self-educated. Apparently you couldn't comprehend that; I don't know if that's your fault or mine. I'll assume it's yours.
No offense to you but it is very easy to be accepted to colleges in Florida. You would not have been accepted at any California state college or university (which is why a California degree is worth more than a Florida degree).
How is it you insulting the various colleges in Florida, or Floridians in general, an insult to me?
(which is why a California degree is worth more than a Florida degree)
Is this your opinion or are you stating a fact? If it's your opinion I must say that's really cocky, and arrogant of you to say, and pretty much you're insulting more than Floridians because if a degree in California is worth more than one in Florida than every other state equal and/or less in educational eyes of what Florida gives out in education must also be less?
Obviously you are very bitter about your educational experiences.
Not bitter, angry at how poor it was, and how the one I went through didn't care shit about anyone
but the educational system me and my brother went through, luckily, wasn't the one my sister went through or she too would have withdrew herself when she had the chance.
I can't get a high school diploma or GED not because I'm stupid, I think I've proven to people on this website a few times that I'm not stupid. I'm just slow at math; and I always fail the math, usually by 1-5 points, and they do not care that my brain processes math problems at a slower rate than the average person. I have an hour and half just like everyone else in that room. Which is fine. I'll probably never go further than I'll ever go; always getting jobs that are beneath my skill set(s), and never be taken as serious in the publishing world if I did have a piece of paper that says I'm intelligent enough for them to take me seriously. However, I do not see that as a fault of mine but theirs, and apparently yours.
I went to school in a poor area. I didn't get the best education, but I was motivated. I got straight A's.
I could've gotten straight A's, too. The point I'm making is: is such a poor education worth the straight A's in the long run? For you, perhaps. For myself and my brother who also withdrew from school: it wasn't. Of course he went on to college; he doesn't have my disability of math. Lucky him. I score high in every subject I take except Science (which I score average in) and Math (which I score low in, and when I say low, I mean in the teens; however, with the proper amount of time those teens can be turned into 90's).