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Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« on: September 13, 2011, 11:46:57 AM »
Where does God say he is obligated to heal amputees in scripture? This isn't me being cocky either, I'm just looking for genuine answers.

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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2011, 11:49:19 AM »
The truth is absolute. Life forms are specks of specks (...) of specks of dust in the universe.
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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2011, 12:31:08 PM »
Mark 11:23-24

but those people praying for a new limb didn't pray hard enough. They didn't give it their all! When it comes to praying you can give a quick 5 second prayer for a new job that you applied for in the first place[1], but it takes a lot more than 5 seconds to pray for god to grow back a limb... I guess.

Where does God say he is obligated to heal amputees in scripture? This isn't me being cocky either, I'm just looking for genuine answers.

You're not being cocky. You just missed the point of the question. If you just joined the forum without actually reading what it means by asking the question Why Wont God Heal Amputees?, visit this link.
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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2011, 12:36:52 PM »
God works in the parameters he decides. Surely you don't take Jesus saying that you can move a mountain literally. There are many things God answers and I myself have been witness to these miracles, but unnaturally re-growing a limb is not something he just hands out. He works in the confines of his creation and rarely goes to great lengths to contradict or inhibit that which he has set up.

Pain is good though. We can learn much through it. We can also let it turn ourselves spiteful however. Once you understand that this world is merely a trail grounds for what's to come, what exactly goes on here becomes so very trivial.

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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2011, 12:39:37 PM »
^^Typical answer.

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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2011, 12:41:30 PM »
^^Typical answer.

It was to be expected. On another topic the user pretty much admitted to being a cherry-picker; saying that the parts of the Bible that are in accordance to what we know of the universe and/or that are impossible to disprove are the only "real" ones
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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2011, 12:43:47 PM »
God works in the parameters he decides. Surely you don't take Jesus saying that you can move a mountain literally. There are many things God answers and I myself have been witness to these miracles, but unnaturally re-growing a limb is not something he just hands out. He works in the confines of his creation and rarely goes to great lengths to contradict or inhibit that which he has set up.

Pain is good though. We can learn much through it. We can also let it turn ourselves spiteful however. Once you understand that this world is merely a trail grounds for what's to come, what exactly goes on here becomes so very trivial.

Show me how that claim varies from me saying that the Greek Gods interviened in the Trojan War in the Illiad, but they just don't go interfereing in just any old wars. I have seen the miracles in battle that Ares has done.
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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2011, 02:10:45 PM »
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God works in the parameters he decides.

Is that stated in the Bible?  Oh, of course it is, it's stated throughout the Old Testament (not so much in the New Testament, I wonder why that is???)

If it says it in the Bible then it must be true.

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Surely you don't take Jesus saying that you can move a mountain literally.

No, we do not but many Christians however do.  They literally believe that Jesus and/or Biblegod can literally move a mountain.

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There are many things God answers and I myself have been witness to these miracles, but unnaturally re-growing a limb is not something he just hands out.

Why would Biblegod give such an ability to say a lesser animal to humans but not to humans?  And, why is it that humans have to work for Biblegod's love and do not just get it automatically?  I mean, "we're" supposed to love Biblegod above everything and everyone else (even ourselves and closest loves ones like our parents, siblings, and children -- Biblegod before all of them -- it even says we are to hate them Luke 14:26[2] but "we" have to work at getting Biblegod's love.

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He works in the confines of his creation and rarely goes to great lengths to contradict or inhibit that which he has set up.

Bullshit.

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Pain is good though. We can learn much through it. We can also let it turn ourselves spiteful however. Once you understand that this world is merely a trail grounds for what's to come, what exactly goes on here becomes so very trivial.

Like your whole spiel.

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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2011, 02:29:08 PM »
Once you understand that this world is merely a trail grounds for what's to come, what exactly goes on here becomes so very trivial.

Why should we accept that idea, tho? What is supposed to convince us that this life is supposed to be trivial instead of all that there is? If you're wrong, then you'll have wasted this single life that you have[1].

Surely you aren't relying on those 'miracles' you're say you've seen, since after-all:

He works in the confines of his creation and rarely goes to great lengths to contradict or inhibit that which he has set up.

So by your own admission, every 'miracle' you say you've witnessed could have just-as-easily been natural occurrences/coincidences that no god ever had any hand in.
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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2011, 02:39:59 PM »
lets face is. (reputable) Employers don't just call you up out of the blue offering you a job you didn't apply for

This isn't necessarily true, depending on who you are and what your skills are and so forth.  Pretty much every job I've had for the past six years has come to me this way, including my current position at NASA.  Even Apple tried to recruit me once, and Apple has no need to recruit anybody.
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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2011, 03:35:13 PM »
I don't think we are asking for a bunch to be healed.  Just one would do.  He is suppose to cure a lot of other stuff.  Why not at least one amputee?
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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2011, 03:40:50 PM »
I don't think we are asking for a bunch to be healed.  Just one would do.  He is suppose to cure a lot of other stuff.  Why not at least one amputee?

Seriously, you have him drowning the world, parting the red sea, getting hundred of skeletons to Dance(Ezekiel), raising the  dead, appearing in the heavens, all sorts of "Big obvious magic" that seems to no longer be allowed roughly about the introduction of the printing press, journalism,  and scientific method.
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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2011, 03:45:55 PM »
There are many things God answers and I myself have been witness to these miracles, but unnaturally re-growing a limb is not something he just hands out.

Oh, so when Jesus attached an ear back onto a man, was it because that guy was special?

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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2011, 06:04:51 PM »
God works in the parameters he decides. Surely you don't take Jesus saying that you can move a mountain literally. There are many things God answers and I myself have been witness to these miracles, but unnaturally re-growing a limb is not something he just hands out. He works in the confines of his creation and rarely goes to great lengths to contradict or inhibit that which he has set up.

Pain is good though. We can learn much through it. We can also let it turn ourselves spiteful however. Once you understand that this world is merely a trail grounds for what's to come, what exactly goes on here becomes so very trivial.


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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2011, 08:16:33 PM »
Tweeterfist,

Why would god heal patients in all of the claimed medical miracles that are attributed to him in nearly every pulpit and in nearly every local hospital, yet never with something that is unequivocally miraculous like a missing leg? Internal cancers and aches and pain miracles are so easy to make up for god.  We observe that all of god's works are now performed by his followers. We want to see the effects of god himself in todays scientifically advanced word, in a manner that is not easily faked by con artists and liars.
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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2011, 08:25:41 PM »
Because Brakeman, when God fails to do something that could be done with no difficulty whatsoever, those who believe God is actually real will go out of their way to make excuses, and even pretend to know the very mind of God, something that we know is impossible for mere humans.

Everything good is God, and everything bad is our misunderstanding of God, or God's wrath upon the heathens.  It's beyond laughable.  But look at me, preaching to the choir!

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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2011, 08:29:05 PM »
God works in the parameters he decides. Surely you don't take Jesus saying that you can move a mountain literally. There are many things God answers and I myself have been witness to these miracles, but unnaturally re-growing a limb is not something he just hands out. He works in the confines of his creation and rarely goes to great lengths to contradict or inhibit that which he has set up.

Pain is good though. We can learn much through it. We can also let it turn ourselves spiteful however. Once you understand that this world is merely a trail grounds for what's to come, what exactly goes on here becomes so very trivial.

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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2011, 09:53:06 PM »
God works in the parameters he decides.

There are many things God answers and I myself have been witness to these miracles, but unnaturally re-growing a limb is not something he just hands out. He works in the confines of his creation and rarely goes to great lengths to contradict or inhibit that which he has set up.

Err... Where does it say that in the Bible, if you don't mind my asking? I am rather confused...


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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2011, 10:44:28 PM »
^^^^^ and why does he give the ability to re-grow limbs to other animals like salamanders?
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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2011, 12:55:21 AM »
^^^^^ and why does he give the ability to re-grow limbs to other animals like salamanders?

Maybe salamanders are the only species that doesn't do gay stuff with each other?

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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2011, 11:30:34 AM »
God works in the parameters he decides. Surely you don't take Jesus saying that you can move a mountain literally. There are many things God answers and I myself have been witness to these miracles, but unnaturally re-growing a limb is not something he just hands out. He works in the confines of his creation and rarely goes to great lengths to contradict or inhibit that which he has set up.

Pain is good though. We can learn much through it. We can also let it turn ourselves spiteful however. Once you understand that this world is merely a trail grounds for what's to come, what exactly goes on here becomes so very trivial.

surely you don't mean that JC raised from the dead and is the literal savior of the human race. &)

You see, yuo are picking and choosing.  This is often called using your magic decoder ring.
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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2011, 11:36:44 AM »
Tweet,

Have you prayed for perfect understanding of the scriptures? I can't see how it could be god's will to refuse such a prayer. Go ahead and pray for it and get back with us on what god said.

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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2011, 12:11:32 PM »
God works in the parameters he decides. Surely you don't take Jesus saying that you can move a mountain literally. There are many things God answers and I myself have been witness to these miracles, but unnaturally re-growing a limb is not something he just hands out. He works in the confines of his creation and rarely goes to great lengths to contradict or inhibit that which he has set up.

Pain is good though. We can learn much through it. We can also let it turn ourselves spiteful however. Once you understand that this world is merely a trail grounds for what's to come, what exactly goes on here becomes so very trivial.

NO, pain is physiological response which is a message that something is awry in one’s body.
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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2011, 01:43:32 PM »
Pain is good though. We can learn much through it. We can also let it turn ourselves spiteful however. Once you understand that this world is merely a trail grounds for what's to come, what exactly goes on here becomes so very trivial.

I should have addressed this earlier.  Pain is not "good" as stuffin explained.  Pain is pain.  It does get us to recoil from dangerous actions.  However it is not "good" and it does not teach anyone anything but a basic animal-level response.  I often see Christians all sure that their god causes pain to "teach" someone something, be it causing pain to force a response from a person, or causing pain to another person to "teach" an observer. 

I would not want anyone to suffer to teach me anything.  That is sadistic and selfish. 

However, tweet, if you think this life is just a training ground for the next, I'm sure you would have absolutely no problem in donating a hand, a leg, your face, etc to someone who doesn't feel the same way.  Since we now have surgical techniques and anti-rejection medicines that allow limbs and faces to be transplanted, surely you don't need two hands or two legs, etc?  If this world is so trivial, it should be no problem.

and if this is too extreme, why don't I see Christians who make the same claims as you do volunteering for often lethal jobs?  Where is the army of land mine removers if this life is so "trivial"? 

But I'm guessing you don't really believe that at all. You just use the claim that this life is "trivial" as an excuse for the inaction of your god.
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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2011, 01:49:58 PM »
God works in the parameters he decides. Surely you don't take Jesus saying that you can move a mountain literally. There are many things God answers and I myself have been witness to these miracles, but unnaturally re-growing a limb is not something he just hands out. He works in the confines of his creation and rarely goes to great lengths to contradict or inhibit that which he has set up.

Pain is good though. We can learn much through it. We can also let it turn ourselves spiteful however. Once you understand that this world is merely a trail grounds for what's to come, what exactly goes on here becomes so very trivial.

surely you don't mean that JC raised from the dead and is the literal savior of the human race. &)

You see, yuo are picking and choosing.  This is often called using your magic decoder ring.

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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2011, 01:56:43 PM »
Even if we look at emotional pain (I prefer emotional distress), it is still a bodily response to a stressor which presents danger to the organism.
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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2011, 02:49:21 PM »
tweety:

you have misunderstood the point of the question.  Here is my stock answer to help you understand:

There is a certian type of xian who attempts to justify his or her god beliefs by claiming that people are miraculously healed of various afflictions by divine intervention.  The afflictions may include cancer, diabetes, coma, heart conditions, tooth decay, halitosis, spastic colon, etc.  We frequently hear anecdotes about how some church group prayed for some guy and the next day he was completely healed. 

But there are several problems with this kind of reasoning.  First, data shows many of these types of afflictions sometimes "clear up" without any kind of prayers.  It seems to be a natural response or a misdiagnosis.  Second, people of all religions make the same claims.  And last, there is a whole class of ailments that are never, ever cured by prayer or naturally. 

People never regrow lost limbs.  Lost eyes never regrow in the empty sockets.  Retarded people never gain normal mental capacity. Alzheimers and Dementia sufferers never recover.  Old people never rejuvenate. 

This has clear implications about a god that supposedly heals people.  It leaves you only a few conclusions about such a god.
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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2011, 04:13:13 PM »
^^^
I've seen you, and others, use this list of things which god supposedly "heals"...but it always confuses me that tooth decay is listed among those things. Unless I am mistaken, isn't tooth decay irreversible? I know I've read about a fringe group here and there which wants to claim having their rotten teeth made whole, or fillings changing to solid gold, or something or another, but I wasn't aware that there was any verification of these claims. And if there WAS verification, I'd have to say that would sound either very impressive or very suspect.

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Re: Where Does God Say He'll Heal Amputees?
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2011, 02:45:05 AM »
Because Brakeman, when God fails to do something that could be done with no difficulty whatsoever, those who believe God is actually real will go out of their way to make excuses, and even pretend to know the very mind of God, something that we know is impossible for mere humans.

Everything good is God, and everything bad is our misunderstanding of God, or God's wrath upon the heathens.  It's beyond laughable.  But look at me, preaching to the choir!
God works in the parameters he decides.

There are many things God answers and I myself have been witness to these miracles, but unnaturally re-growing a limb is not something he just hands out. He works in the confines of his creation and rarely goes to great lengths to contradict or inhibit that which he has set up.

Err... Where does it say that in the Bible, if you don't mind my asking? I am rather confused...

Lady A, maybe this verse will clear up your confusion? As to re-growing limbs, I have yet to see it but that does not means it is impossible! I mean, seriously, God is the all-powerful Creator. Limbs have been healed though from accidents, being born that way, anything pretty much.

Isaiah 55:
8  For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
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9  For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
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and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Jetson, that verse is for you too.

I'm not making excuses for my God. He does not need me. I need Him. My God is not inadequate. He can and does heal. I (and others) have experienced His healing.
I don't know the mind of God. I only know what He has revealed to me. His presence is unexplainable. His power, unimaginable.
Everything good is God for (obviously) God is good. When man sinned, man broke the amazing relationship with God. Evil came into the world -- Satan took over.
God did not create evil. How can evil be the so-called misunderstanding of God if GOD is indeed GOOD?
It can't be...