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Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« on: July 17, 2011, 04:38:55 PM »
http://www.thehomeland.org/tenquestions.htm

Guys, look at this and see what you think of this persons answers.

He left a GMail, Has anybody ever come across him before?

I may email him and ask him to come to the forum and answer some questions.

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Answered by m.james moore, lay-apologeticist and author. You may contact him at walkwithx@gmail.com.

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"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."
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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2011, 05:33:37 PM »
I can't believe it.  Most of their responses have at least one fallacy and the ones that don't are poor insults and misrepresentations.  Some responses even contradict others.  They even try to defend slavery as an admirable idea. 

It would be interesting to see how honest they could actually be with their discussion if they actually did respond. 
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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2011, 05:50:10 PM »
I've emailed him and asked him to join us at the forum.

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Greetings m.james moore.

My name is Elliot, and I am a member of the WWGHA Forum.

As a member of the online forum to the WWGHA website (whose members are not affiliated with the man who created the videos) , I would like to cordially extend an invitation to you to join our forum and engage in a debate regarding the content posted on this link ---> http://www.thehomeland.org/tenquestions.htm

We are interested by your responses and wish to discuss them in an intellectual and mostly peaceful manner.

Regards,

ElliotViolin

(and the members of the WWGHA forum)

Link to the topic thread regarding your answers: ------> http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,19491.0.html
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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2011, 06:09:07 PM »
heheh. 'mostly peaceful.'
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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2011, 06:20:53 PM »
hmm. just read a fair amount of what he wrote on that link. not sure i believe he's really college educated. i think it might be unfair to invite him here.
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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2011, 06:22:53 PM »
heheh. 'mostly peaceful.'

pwahahaha!! I was hopping nobody would notice that... it was a sort of disclaimer in case things got heated and he did actually reply to our forum :P
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2011, 06:26:47 PM »
i really doubt he will. he seems to be preaching to his own little group of converts. his logic is nonexistent and he seems very angry. was considering asking "u mad bro? u sound mad." on his site.
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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2011, 06:30:39 PM »
update:

the link to Tough Bible Questions Answered gives
Error 404: File Not Found

lololol
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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2011, 08:04:43 PM »
He sounds like a bipolar in the manic phase.

It depresses me how much he praises himself.  But then again I am a depressive person.

Or he is overcaffeinated.  Or similarly chemically enhanced.

He says he was in advertising but quit because it was so immoral.  In advertising a rule is that if you use the right noun, you don't need an adjective.  Be concise.

So did he quit or was he fired?


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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2011, 08:40:21 PM »
I like this one:
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This crucial understanding answers loads and piles of other questions, like why God slew so many people at the seeming drop of a hat. It's because people hold excessively high value on their very lives whereas God is saying there is something waaaaay more important.

So God was teaching them a lesson.  One they would never forget.  And never remember either because they were dead.  I don't recall that any prophet who passed that on from God.  All they had to say was announcing wrath.

Now I remember I skimmed this thing before.  I remembered his "gloobidy-foop".  He thinks saying that makes sense.

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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2011, 10:44:12 PM »
He left a GMail, Has anybody ever come across him before?

I've seen that site.  It was posted here before.  He's an arrogant cock who is too stupid to pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel.
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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2011, 06:46:03 AM »
He does sound kinda angry :P

Gloobidy Floop... what an irritating word.
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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2011, 07:27:46 AM »
I couldn't finish reading it the bullshit was just too much to digest.  I did chuckle when he tried to justify the killings and the slavery.  Sorry pal but I'm not much for a god that says obey or die... He says slavery wasn't bad.  Someone tell him to be our slave for a week and beat him everyday.  When he complains just say "hey... God says its ok as long as you don't die."

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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2011, 08:18:08 AM »
not sure i believe he's really college educated.
I think he is.  There's a difference between a college degree and an education.

He says he has a degree in journalism.  You think he doesn't.

But consider, AnotherMarcus, that Sarah Palin has a degree in journalism.


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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2011, 08:25:54 AM »
This site hasn't been active in a long time.  There are a number of 404s.  He wrote some short stories and was a prospective author.  He has run out of ideas.

I'd say he was unemployed.  He is now considering dropping out of society and living off the land.

http://www.thehomeland.org/imagez/farmville-strategy.txt

He figures he has the best chance of a profit growing peppers.

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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2011, 09:10:46 AM »
i couldn't read very much of this. personally i don't think i'd want to have a discussion with him, he seems so deep in his ways that he's got so many flawed and twisted logics. beyond hope perhaps. or at least it would take too much time and effort.

i like how he starts off by saying

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Being "an intelligent and educated Christian,"<snip>"I have a college degree, and I have been trained to think logically about the world we live in."
i found this pretty funny as i like to think he was using sarcastic quotation marks here. it certainly would be consistent with the rest of the site! maybe that's it... maybe, it's all a joke! otherwise, i don't understand why the quotation marks are there..
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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2011, 01:29:41 PM »
"But consider, AnotherMarcus, that Sarah Palin has a degree in journalism."
ykies. good point.


 "maybe, it's all a joke! otherwise, i don't understand why the quotation marks are there.."
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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2011, 02:22:05 PM »
I'd say he was unemployed.  He is now considering dropping out of society and living off the land.

http://www.thehomeland.org/imagez/farmville-strategy.txt

He figures he has the best chance of a profit growing peppers.


ROFL.

I didn't notice that...  :laugh:

Anyway (disgusting secret being exposed here, I played FarmVille...)

He is wrong there too, as the most profitable crop is actually Grapes and Sunflowers.


Take THAT, God.
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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2011, 02:37:54 PM »
http://www.thehomeland.org/tenquestions.htm

Guys, look at this and see what you think of this persons answers.

He left a GMail, Has anybody ever come across him before?

I may email him and ask him to come to the forum and answer some questions.

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Answered by m.james moore, lay-apologeticist and author. You may contact him at walkwithx@gmail.com.

-Elliot x

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,16686.msg372830.html#msg372830

Yes I did, and his actions here were less than pleasant.
An Omnipowerful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren't going to live up to his standards.

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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2011, 02:56:55 PM »

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,16686.msg372830.html#msg372830

Yes I did, and his actions here were less than pleasant.

Ahh.

Shame...

He would have been amusing fodder if he had stuck around longer.

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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2011, 03:48:08 PM »

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,16686.msg372830.html#msg372830

Yes I did, and his actions here were less than pleasant.

Ahh.

Shame...

He would have been amusing fodder if he had stuck around longer.

Thanks Hatter :)

I don't think someone who simply goes after form, form, form; never adresses content, and then lauds themselves at the same time hurling unsubstantiated insults all that amusing.

An Omnipowerful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren't going to live up to his standards.

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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2011, 01:09:11 PM »
www.eatnails.net/?p=24

So you're going to spam on an website in order to get activity on your blog, where you will likely edit and remove posts that disagree with your own.

To be blunt, your questions are ridiculous.  Full of leading emotional pandering, presupposed conditional bullshit, and completely lacking any argument that can be identified.
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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2011, 01:12:12 PM »
Didn't mean to spam. Ignore if you're not interested.
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« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2011, 01:15:56 PM »
Didn't mean to spam. Ignore if you're not interested.
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Meaning: You're not going to be a contributing member in the community and you're simply here to get hits on your blog.  Why would I ignore your own disingenuous behavior?
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« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2011, 01:24:26 PM »
http://www.thehomeland.org/tenquestions.htm

After all the veiled insults on the first page it gets down to a single response:

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"There is another verse that isn't oft cited that provides a skosh of insight into why a prayer might seemingly have gone unanswered. Romans 8:26-27 provides that insight, noting that we're not actually sure what we really need to be praying about, and that the Spirit (of God) interprets it correctly for us. For instance, if I were to ask in prayer, "God, give me a million dollars." I think that (had you known, you'd might soon after asking recall the stipulation of praying "in his name" and his name isn't "God", plus Christ also chastises a few newbs by retorting, "Why do you call me Lord but don't do what I say?" ..something to think about) a reasonable Spirit-translation might instead be, "Help me to realize how rich I already am," "Help me to appreciate living efficiently," or "Help me to realize that I am neither Aladdin, nor are you some two-bit genie that must obey me, since I dutifully read the entire verse without getting bored." Don't you suppose that God, in his bountiful wisdom, would actually not grant me this prayer, firstly, knowing that I would probably just go blow it all on multiflavor, individually wrapped chunks of saltwater taffy and stockpile a collection of Morning Musume DVDs? By instilling some kind of filtering system, the deeper, inner question could be answered and cancel out the need for such a desire to even warrant asking in the first place (but you don't get that, unless you ask =P).."

But it consists largely of a strawman and an argument from personal incredulity.  No one is suggesting prayer being answered is one of frivolous material needs, yet that's exactly the analogy this person goes with for pretty obvious emotional reasons.  His rejection of the entire case can be summed up as a rejection from his own personal incredulity and nothing else.  We can easily surmise a prayer that benefits all equally, the only way around it is to insert an arbitrary 'greater purpose' as the reason authentic prayers of need go unanswered.  The problem with a 'greater purpose' is that it is simply another red herring, since we can always suppose conditions that can be attained for the greater purpose without any conditional context coming before it.  IE The greater purpose can be had 'instantly'.
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Re: Website with a VERY lengthy response to the WWGHA video.
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2011, 01:41:21 PM »
Didn't mean to spam. Ignore if you're not interested.
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Meaning: You're not going to be a contributing member in the community and you're simply here to get hits on your blog.  Why would I ignore your own disingenuous behavior?

I'd love to discuss your objections to the existence of God either here or on my site. Nothing disingenuous about that.

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« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2011, 01:46:36 PM »
I'd love to discuss your objections to the existence of God either here or on my site. Nothing disingenuous about that.

So I have to tell you my objections to what you have supposed to be true for me without explanation?
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« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2011, 01:47:27 PM »
Hi fizixgeek,

1) Welcome! I hope you stick around.

2) I deleted your 1st post. Seemed a bit rude / presumptious for a newcomer (do you know how many spammers visit daily here?) However, there is no problem with you posting a normally sized link in your sig line, or elsewhere in your forum profile.

You believe evolution and there is no evidence for that. Where is the fossil record of a half man half ape. I've only ever heard about it in reading.

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« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2011, 01:51:12 PM »
^ the green means I had my admin/mod hat on. Black means I am just a forum member.

Hey! Mormon! Cooool. Mormonism seems pretty full of shit, if I may say so.

How long have Native Americans enhabited North America, fizix?

You believe evolution and there is no evidence for that. Where is the fossil record of a half man half ape. I've only ever heard about it in reading.