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Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« on: June 22, 2011, 03:14:50 PM »
Clicking on this link will take you to WWGHA video, "Jesus is Imaginary." Many criticize this video, with excuses such as, "Thou shalt not test the Lord" and "God isn't a vending machine," despite the Bible saying otherwise.  But, this whole video can be shortened to one, 5-second step:

Get Real.

I don't understand what makes Christians want to stay in their bubble of delusion.  There is so much evidence that the Bible is ridiculous, and none for religion.  What I don't get is, why do theists go to great lengths to protect their faith, while atheists only have to point to fact?  That would be like one 13-year-old boy trying to convince an auditorium of adults that leprechauns are make-believe.  Is their any reason--besides their own comfort--that Christians do this?
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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2011, 03:26:06 PM »
Pretty much their own comfort, as you said, Benny.  They want to be "right", which indeed most humans do like to be.  They don't want to admit that they are wrong, that they have wasted effort in this belief, and much if not all of their self-worth is wrapped up in their belief that some magical being cares for them and only them.  They want to beleive like children that this father-figure will make everyone "pay" for laughing at them and saying that they are wrong.  They need the hell that they desperately envision, all the while being terrified of it. 

All rather sad, really.
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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2011, 03:54:01 PM »
Pretty much their own comfort, as you said, Benny.  They want to be "right", which indeed most humans do like to be.  They don't want to admit that they are wrong, that they have wasted effort in this belief, and much if not all of their self-worth is wrapped up in their belief that some magical being cares for them and only them.  They want to beleive like children that this father-figure will make everyone "pay" for laughing at them and saying that they are wrong.  They need the hell that they desperately envision, all the while being terrified of it. 

All rather sad, really.
Very wise words, velkyn.  I'll see your thinking and raise you some more of my own: Could it be that, not only do humans want to be right, but also approved of?  Maybe God is their way of trying to impress somebody, that God is the only thing keeping them from being honest and trustworthy.  I'm sure you know the quote: "Character is how you act when nobody is looking."  Do people have so little character that they need an imaginary father figure to watch over them?  I concur, velkyn, that it is rather sad.
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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2011, 04:21:33 PM »
I think the question of religion is more complicated than "Is any of it right/correct/truthful?".

While there's a lot of crap associated with religion, there's good too.  Some theists use it as a reason to help other people; charities are often loosely-inspired religious organizations; there are countries where the living conditions are so harsh that a simple thing like "hope" is useful/productive for the people living there.

I'm not justifying religion - that's a whole 'nother conversation.  I'm objecting to this notion that all religion is bad/false, and that it does no good whatsoever.  Until we (human beings) have equivalent secular institutions, religion is going to serve a useful purpose to some extent.

And thus, theists will rightfully dismiss "Get real" as an argument.

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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2011, 04:27:10 PM »
Agreed, religion provides a real comfort to people.   "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story".     Imagine a beggar who is dying of cancer, lying penniless on the sidewalk.   The only hope he desperately clings to is that after he dies he will go to this wonderful warm, magical happy place.   A guy in that situation does not want to know that he is screwed over and his only comfort after his years of suffering is the cold uncaring oblivion of death.   

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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2011, 06:06:24 PM »
The only hope he desperately clings to is that after he dies he will go to this wonderful warm, magical happy place.
Two problems with this...

1) Is he mental, too?  If I end up like that, I will at least be comfortable with the truth and not fairy tales.
2) Assuming this person is rational, he must think, "Why is God singling me out?  Why am I homeless with cancer?"

Either way, explain.
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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2011, 06:09:28 PM »
"Never let the truth get in the way of a good story".     Imagine a beggar who is dying of cancer, lying penniless on the sidewalk.   The only hope he desperately clings to is that after he dies he will go to this wonderful warm, magical happy place.   

See it in pictures -- the Jack Chick classic

Somebody Loves Me

Read it again in Swedish.  Sweden is a country loaded with atheists and Lutherans and since it's socialist there must be a lot of homeless people dying in the street because the rich are taxed so much they can't give you a job.

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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2011, 06:29:23 PM »
The only hope he desperately clings to is that after he dies he will go to this wonderful warm, magical happy place.
Two problems with this...

1) Is he mental, too?  If I end up like that, I will at least be comfortable with the truth and not fairy tales.
2) Assuming this person is rational, he must think, "Why is God singling me out?  Why am I homeless with cancer?"

Either way, explain.

1)   Have you ever been homeless or through tough times?   I haven't, but I can imagine it would be a great comfort to know that somebody up there is looking out for you.    At the end of the day it might not be true, but if it makes their miserable existence better, then good for them. 

2)  Easy. He would think, "My suffering on earth will be rewarded with eternity in paradise".   That's why some impoverished Arab will gladly blow himself up, because he'll get his 72 virgins.   Believers can rationalize and explain away anything.   

Oooh yeah this tract illustrates my point perfectly:


Somebody Loves Me

Nihilism and existentialism on the other hand, are hard pills to swallow.

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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2011, 06:40:24 PM »
1)   Have you ever been homeless or through tough times?   I haven't, but I can imagine it would be a great comfort to know that somebody up there is looking out for you.    At the end of the day it might not be true, but if it makes their miserable existence better, then good for them. 

2)  Easy. He would think, "My suffering on earth will be rewarded with eternity in paradise".   That's why some impoverished Arab will gladly blow himself up, because he'll get his 72 virgins.   Believers can rationalize and explain away anything.
Doesn't matter in either case...I'm not saying whether its comforting to them or not...my point is that God is ridiculous.  In case 1, I was explaining that I would rather reflect upon my life than wish for fairy-tale lands like heaven.  In case two, a rational person would question his belief, while a Christian would believe in heaven.  Either way, it's ridiculous.
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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2011, 07:06:55 PM »
I disagree.   I do not think it is so black and white.   Sure, I think the christian belief that a blood god sent himself as a sacrifice offering for himself so that he could back as a zombie and save us from himself, is ridiculous.   But if that gives people hope and happiness, then I've got no problem with that.   My only problem is when fundamentalists push their beliefs on others.   

So, if someone believes in a God and that gives them the strength to get through the day, awesome.   I will not push my lack of belief upon them.     If however, they start telling me I'll burn in hell, then I will mock their religion all day long.   

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2011, 07:48:50 PM »
I disagree.   I do not think it is so black and white.   Sure, I think the christian belief that a blood god sent himself as a sacrifice offering for himself so that he could back as a zombie and save us from himself, is ridiculous.   But if that gives people hope and happiness, then I've got no problem with that.   My only problem is when fundamentalists push their beliefs on others.   

So, if someone believes in a God and that gives them the strength to get through the day, awesome.   I will not push my lack of belief upon them.     If however, they start telling me I'll burn in hell, then I will mock their religion all day long.   

Completely agreed.  I was just explaining how Christianity is ridiculous, not belittling its followers.
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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2011, 08:03:55 PM »
   

So, if someone believes in a God and that gives them the strength to get through the day, awesome.   I will not push my lack of belief upon them.     If however, they start telling me I'll burn in hell, then I will mock their religion all day long.   

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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2011, 09:15:47 PM »
I have no problems with people who truly believe they find comfort in a magic god.. I've often been envious of that position because I have simply never believed it.

I've been homeless on several occasions and the last time I remember sitting under a bridge right across from a busy train track contemplating suicide and just letting the speeding trains cut me to ribbons.. I cried harder than I can remember and even prayed to a god I knew didn't exist, but there was a comfort deep in me in wanting the believe something was better than what I had at the time which was NOTHING..I had NO money, no place to go, it was cold and my family was 1000 miles away and I couldn't return there even though I wanted to..
Soon the tears dried up and I decided to head back to the place I had just left, a homeless shelter I hated and some guy pulled up beside me and asked if I wanted to make $20.. At first I thought it was someone propositioning me for sex, but then he quickly explained he just needed a storage room for his stuff, but he had no ID to rent one and would pay me to rent it for him so I agreed. He paid me the $20, I rented the storage room and gave me a ride where I wanted to go..
Did god send him to me? I seriously doubt it, but many would say he did.. In any event I found some comfort, collected myself back up and went back to the shitty shelter and got my life back in some sort of order..
That brief period of me praying seemed to give me strength, but at that point my mental state needed something to pick me back up.. In hindsight I believe it was just me releasing a lot of pent up emotions and knowing tears contain a lot of hormones known to cause stress I expunged those stress hormones and was able to cope with the shit my life was at the time..  You decide.. I still envy the position of magic comfort, but logic tells me it's just wishful thinking.
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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2011, 07:58:46 AM »
Is their any reason--besides their own comfort--that Christians do this?

It is how the brain works. The brain has evolved to make a model of reality, check to see if that model is correct, and hold that belief forever.  It has not evolved to try to falsify beliefs, thus, we are all born with confirmation bias.  It has not evolved to jettison crappy beliefs, thus, getting anyone to change his or her mind about anything is nigh impossible.
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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2011, 10:03:36 AM »
1)   Have you ever been homeless or through tough times?   I haven't, but I can imagine it would be a great comfort to know that somebody up there is looking out for you.
Isn't this the same as suffering raging toothache and thinking, "I'm glad I've got a dentist, even though he has ruined everyone of my teeth with his incompetence"?

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2)  Easy. He would think, "My suffering on earth will be rewarded with eternity in paradise".   That's why some impoverished Arab will gladly blow himself up, because he'll get his 72 virgins.   Believers can rationalize and explain away anything.
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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2011, 10:52:02 AM »
I think the question of religion is more complicated than "Is any of it right/correct/truthful?".

While there's a lot of crap associated with religion, there's good too.  Some theists use it as a reason to help other people; charities are often loosely-inspired religious organizations; there are countries where the living conditions are so harsh that a simple thing like "hope" is useful/productive for the people living there.

I'd have to disagree a bit.  I find that theists do not have charities to help people any more than non-believers.   I do find that they use their charities to enlarge their "herd" so they get even more external validation.  I'm not sure how "hope" helps much when that hope is never rewarded.
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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2011, 03:05:27 PM »
You decide.. I still envy the position of magic comfort, but logic tells me it's just wishful thinking.

Well that's the thing ... belief is not a choice.   Some people can choose to believe, others can't.    I was a believer for over a decade of my life, and then I couldn't believe anymore, no matter how hard I tried.   So I just accepted that I was no an atheist and moved on with my life.   But I know how much hope it gives others, so good for them.   

1)   Have you ever been homeless or through tough times?   I haven't, but I can imagine it would be a great comfort to know that somebody up there is looking out for you.
Isn't this the same as suffering raging toothache and thinking, "I'm glad I've got a dentist, even though he has ruined everyone of my teeth with his incompetence"?

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2)  Easy. He would think, "My suffering on earth will be rewarded with eternity in paradise".   That's why some impoverished Arab will gladly blow himself up, because he'll get his 72 virgins.   Believers can rationalize and explain away anything.
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Nihilism and existentialism on the other hand, are hard pills to swallow.
False dichotomy.

1.   If you stopped to think about your suffering logically, then yes.    But if you are suffering hard times, chances are you're not going to be logical.    Your emotions are going to hold complete power over you.     And that's where belief in some supernatural loving being will provide you that sense of hope.   

2.   Yup

False dichotomy sure.    There are plenty of philosophies to adopt that do not involve belief in a supernatural deity.    Still my point stands, if someone is suffering horribly, believing that they will be reunited with loved ones in a wonderful paradise where everyone lives happily ever after is a lot more attractive than "there is no God and your life sucks".

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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2011, 07:42:36 PM »
"Never let the truth get in the way of a good story".     Imagine a beggar who is dying of cancer, lying penniless on the sidewalk.   The only hope he desperately clings to is that after he dies he will go to this wonderful warm, magical happy place.   

See it in pictures -- the Jack Chick classic

Somebody Loves Me

Read it again in Swedish.  Sweden is a country loaded with atheists and Lutherans and since it's socialist there must be a lot of homeless people dying in the street because the rich are taxed so much they can't give you a job.

Nagon Alskar Mig

Don't stop there!  Here is a list of his translations so you can read it in Greek or Chinese or the language of the Marshall Islanders[1]

"Somebody Loves Me" in multiple translations

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Loved to Death

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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2011, 01:34:11 AM »
WTF is this shit?

Not really sure, and homelessness in Sweden is as high as in Australia. Mostly homelessnessness is a mental health issue, since both Australia and Sweden will pay for your accommodation. I hear that the banks in USA will also pay for your home.
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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2011, 07:07:40 PM »
God can be proved imaginary by saying "Get Real" to a believer?

That illustrates nothing more than a blind spot in one's reasoning.  Would you believe someone if he told you that God was real and that you should get real for not believing in him?  I highly doubt it; so why would you expect them to believe you for telling them to get real for believing in him?

Furthermore, the whole issue of proving whether God is real or imaginary is, for all practical purposes, immaterial.  I can point to something wholly fictional, that everyone knows is wholly fictional, and yet demonstrate that it exists even though it is not real, has no substance, cannot exert any influence on us, and cannot be objectively observed in any way.  For example, Tolkien's Middle-Earth.  I can safely say that this is almost certainly fictional and has never been observed objectively, etc.

Yet it exists.  Everyone who has read Tolkien's books about it, or seen the movies, or whatever else you want to pick, gives it that existence.  It may be imaginary, subjective existence, but it is still existence.  The only way for it to stop existing would be for it to vanish out of the minds of everyone who has ever heard of it, and for all of the media which contains information on it to also vanish or be destroyed.

And that's the point about trying to prove that God is imaginary.  I don't doubt that you guys can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the Christian God doesn't exist as described by the Bible.  I also don't doubt that you can pick apart a person's belief in God to the point where they have nothing left they can use as objective proof.  But how can you get at a person's subjective belief against their will (without being able to coerce them)?  Unless they're willing to listen, unless they're willing to buy into your reasoning, you can spend days, months, years talking about it and not get anywhere.  And if they're hard-headed enough, they might even be able to reinforce their belief from the argument.
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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2011, 10:29:51 PM »
Most of us have the luxury of questioning faith living in western democracies for the most part, but put yourself in an extremely poor village with poor water supplies, poor sanitation and the only doctor is a 3 day walk away IF you can sell your starving goat for enough money. Your goats are to skinny to feed your family, your kids are dying of left and right, grandpa has dengue fever, you have malaria and your grass and mud hut is falling apart because most of the men have either been killed in war or have left for the big city and then *POOF*, as if by "magic" some church group comes along offering medical care, clean water, nutritious food and offers to teach you modern farming methods AND a new religion you MIGHT just take them up on it and praise GAWD or Allah every day come hell or high water because it was GAWD or Allah who sent them to you...
Of course it doesn't make god one iota more real in reality, but under those circumstances who is to question such things?
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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2011, 11:46:37 PM »
@Graybeard.......{Isn't this the same as suffering raging toothache and thinking, "I'm glad I've got a dentist, even though he has ruined everyone of my teeth with his incompetence"?}

Why's it assumed that tough times are bad for your life and a sign of Godly incompetence...if there was a God, of course.


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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2011, 02:36:01 AM »
A real god would have never given us toothaches.. Instead we got this half ass cracker who couldn't even give us fingernails worth a shit and gave us for the most part useless hair.
OK god..what's the purpose of that one goofy hair on the back on one finger? Gee..that really keeps em nice and toasty in winter.  &)

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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2011, 02:40:46 AM »
Why's it assumed that tough times are bad for your life and a sign of Godly incompetence...if there was a God, of course.

Two words: child abuse. If we are supposed to be "children of god" as some claim why would a god want to cause us pain, and have us go through hard times? Would you do that to your children - give them a toothache, cause them to lose their job, whatever, simple because they did something to disappoint you., even though your standards are completely unfair anyways, and your ego as a father is completely inflated?

The reason god is incompetent is because he has absolutely no idea how to run a universe. He has no idea how to treat those he supposedly loves. He's like that father who walked out of your life 20 years ago, returns and demands respect and love. Respect, love and honor doesn't work that way. Respect, love and honor isn't automatically give simply because you are able to create a universe which is in complete disarray anyways.

God is completely incompetent and has an ego that needs to be cut down several notches. He wants us to be humble yet he is guilty of not being humble himself, which makes him a hypocrite. He wants us to love and respect each other, yet he is guilty of the same hatred he speaks out against. 



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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2011, 10:11:12 AM »
@Graybeard.......{Isn't this the same as suffering raging toothache and thinking, "I'm glad I've got a dentist, even though he has ruined everyone of my teeth with his incompetence"?}

Why's it assumed that tough times are bad for your life and a sign of Godly incompetence...if there was a God, of course.

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Offline jdcpe17

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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2011, 11:19:31 AM »
Clicking on this link will take you to WWGHA video, "Jesus is Imaginary." Many criticize this video, with excuses such as, "Thou shalt not test the Lord" and "God isn't a vending machine," despite the Bible saying otherwise.  But, this whole video can be shortened to one, 5-second step:

Get Real.

I don't understand what makes Christians want to stay in their bubble of delusion.  There is so much evidence that the Bible is ridiculous, and none for religion.  What I don't get is, why do theists go to great lengths to protect their faith, while atheists only have to point to fact?  That would be like one 13-year-old boy trying to convince an auditorium of adults that leprechauns are make-believe.  Is their any reason--besides their own comfort--that Christians do this?

Seems to not be far dissimilar from Columbus claiming to the Queen of Spain that the world is not flat. Or Copernicus to the Catholic church for that matter that the sun does not revolve around the earth.

Just because the "clique" of people you surround yourself with in their mob mentality dicates something to be so, doesnt mean it is.

I went to a church one night. It was a special seminar. They had invited some sort of special speaker. This was a mega church - seemed to have better video recording booths than even tv stations - and had a couple of them in this huge auditorium that could have held 10s of 1000s of people. Anyways, it attracted me to come because it was a dicussion of evolution. The specaker was trying to say that the bible says evolution is real and how god did it. He starts off by asking this massive crowd -"now really, does anyone still believe the earth was created in 6 days" ... the auditorium was silent. i stood up. Raised my hand. And said, the bible states, God created the heaves and the earth in 6 days, and rested on the seventh. Did you forget Commandment 4? With that I was told to leave.
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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2011, 12:24:34 PM »
God can be used as an uplifter for many who are down on their luck.  I know this personally, i was in the psyche ward for depression problems and was just a few steps shy of being a full blown drunk and homeless.  I tried sincerely to believe god was going to make things better, that I needed a higher power to share with.  Got into little prayer circles with others who had problems.  They all cried and smiled and hugged each other when it was over.  I'm in no way ragging on these folks for their faith, but i didnt feel a damn thing.  No response.  No holy spirit came to comfort me.

I had two dui's in under three months.  One of them got reduced to reckless driving.  I always heard the words " Thank the big man upstairs." I entertained the thought... But should I really?  Personally I think it was the thousands of dollars I spent on lawyers and fines and such.  It's been over a year and a half and I'm just now getting back on my feet.  But I cut out the prayer and stopped believing that god was around and impacting my life like everyone drilled in my head.  Things are going great,  I can honestly say they are better than they were when I was into religion. 

There's always a reason to keep on living... Servitude to an imaginary deity isn't the one for me.

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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2011, 12:47:13 PM »
I went to a church one night. It was a special seminar. They had invited some sort of special speaker. This was a mega church - seemed to have better video recording booths than even tv stations - and had a couple of them in this huge auditorium that could have held 10s of 1000s of people. Anyways, it attracted me to come because it was a dicussion of evolution. The specaker was trying to say that the bible says evolution is real and how god did it. He starts off by asking this massive crowd -"now really, does anyone still believe the earth was created in 6 days" ... the auditorium was silent. i stood up. Raised my hand. And said, the bible states, God created the heaves and the earth in 6 days, and rested on the seventh. Did you forget Commandment 4? With that I was told to leave.
Yep, the Bible also says that the city of Tyre was extinquished from the earth never to be found again.  Tell that to the people who live there today and the archaeologists who have found plenty of its history.  and the 4th commandment?  This one: Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy or this one: Honor your father and mother or this one: You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name, or this one: 16 And you will take wives from among their daughters for your sons, and their daughters who prostitute themselves to their gods will make your sons also prostitute themselves to their gods.? 

As for evolutionary theory and that the earth is far more than a few thousand years old or was made in 6 days, there is nothing other than your bible to support this.  Every bit of science, including that which you benefit from, shows this not to be the case.
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Re: Proving that Jesus is Imaginary (in one simple step!)
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2011, 01:20:21 PM »
I went to a church one night. It was a special seminar. They had invited some sort of special speaker. This was a mega church - seemed to have better video recording booths than even tv stations - and had a couple of them in this huge auditorium that could have held 10s of 1000s of people. Anyways, it attracted me to come because it was a dicussion of evolution. The specaker was trying to say that the bible says evolution is real and how god did it. He starts off by asking this massive crowd -"now really, does anyone still believe the earth was created in 6 days" ... the auditorium was silent. i stood up. Raised my hand. And said, the bible states, God created the heaves and the earth in 6 days, and rested on the seventh. Did you forget Commandment 4? With that I was told to leave.
Yep, the Bible also says that the city of Tyre was extinquished from the earth never to be found again.  Tell that to the people who live there today and the archaeologists who have found plenty of its history.  and the 4th commandment?  This one: Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy or this one: Honor your father and mother or this one: You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name, or this one: 16 And you will take wives from among their daughters for your sons, and their daughters who prostitute themselves to their gods will make your sons also prostitute themselves to their gods.? 

As for evolutionary theory and that the earth is far more than a few thousand years old or was made in 6 days, there is nothing other than your bible to support this.  Every bit of science, including that which you benefit from, shows this not to be the case.

Tyre??

is this what youre talking about:


taken from
http://www.padfield.com/1994/tyre.html
on 7-8-11

"Was Tyre Ever Rebuilt?
"The modern city of Tyre is of modest size and is near the ancient site, though not identical to it. Archaeological photographs of the ancient site show ruins from ancient Tyre scattered over many acres of land. No city has been rebuilt over these ruins, however, in fulfillment of this prophecy." (Dennis and Grudem, “Tyre,” The ESV Study Bible)

"In point of fact, the mainland city of Tyre later was rebuilt and assumed some of its former importance during the Hellenistic period. But as for the island city, it apparently sank below the surface of the Mediterranean…All that remains of it is a series of black reefs offshore from Tyre, which surely could not have been there in the first and second millennia b.c., since they pose such a threat to navigation. The promontory that now juts out from the coastline probably was washed up along the barrier of Alexander’s causeway, but the island itself broke off and sank away when the subsidence took place; and we have no evidence at all that it ever was built up again after Alexander’s terrible act of vengeance. In the light of these data, then, the predictions of chapter 26, improbable though they must have seemed in Ezekiel’s time, were duly fulfilled to the letter—first by Nebuchadnezzar in the sixth century, and then by Alexander in the fourth." (Archer, “Tyre,” Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties)

"http://www.padfield.com/acrobat/history/tyre.pdf

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