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Offline PostalGirl

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i saw your video on utube recently... [#565]
« on: October 19, 2008, 05:27:44 PM »
Hi,

I was just responding to the video link you put on YouTube.

You ask some interesting questions.  However, you are focused on developing
answers that make God look to be a war mongrul, a cruel being who has no
regard for people.  You asked us to use our critical thinking skills to
think about these questions so I did.

The answers to your questions are not valid because the questions you ask
are true to start with.  First of all, I'm sure you will have  a major
problem with this but, I know of people who have had their amputee limbs
grow back... " miraculously".

The verses that you took from the Bible are out of context.  The Old
Testament was written for the Hebrew people before Christ birth.  The rules
God gave them were for them at that time.  Example,  "a rebellious teenager
is to be stoned to death."  Respect for your parents and elders is a crucial
trait for a society to have.  The law was given to impress upon the people
the importance of this.  This isn't a law God wants us to follow now.  The
law wasn't written for us.  In the New Testament, we are told to respect the
authority that is over us, that means we are to obey the laws of the land
until they tell us to sin against God.  What the law does tell us for now is
that is shows us just how serious God takes young people disrespecting their
parents.  We can know from this ancient commandment to the Hebrew people
that as parents we need to demand the respect and obedience of our
children.  But our society is crumbling because parents don't know the Bible
or what is important to God, and they aren't implementing God's principles
into their families.

The laws about killing for work on the Sabbath or God condoning slavery are
taken out of context and you have represented them falsely in order to try
and cast doubt on someone's faith.

Dear sir, I don't have the time to go line by line through everything you
said but I just wanted to respond
to what you said.  I don't know how you got your link on a  Christian
Worship video on youtube.com

I'm sure you have your reasons why you are on this crusade to convince
people that God is imaginary.  I'm sorry you feel this way, but sir, you are
treading on such thin ice.  I know you don't think God is real and that
there is a judgment coming one day, but sir, there is!  The activity that
you are engaging in is like you are picking a fight with God, that's scary.

Everyone's going to stand before Him one day and give account for their
life.   A person in your position could easily be held accountable for
causing thousand upon thousands of people to turn from the God who can
forgive them and save them from the eternal seperation from God that our sin
causes.

The good news is that it is not too late.  We do have a LOVING God who long
to forgive and put His Spirit within anyone who will believe and yield to
him.  Sir, you can be forgiven, restored, and discover for yourself that God
is real and He can forgive you and He can put His Holy Spirt that will give
you a peace and a joy that exceeds all human understanding.

One more thing for you to use your critical thinking skills on...

If human beings brains were capable of understanding ALL the motives of God
and EVERYTHING [...?]

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Re: i saw your video on utube recently... [#465]
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2008, 08:59:33 PM »
The answers to your questions are not valid because the questions you ask
are true to start with.  First of all, I'm sure you will have  a major
problem with this but, I know of people who have had their amputee limbs
grow back... " miraculously".

Proof, please.

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The verses that you took from the Bible are out of context.

Boy, isn't that the most common thing we hear.

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  The Old
Testament was written for the Hebrew people before Christ birth.  The rules
God gave them were for them at that time.  Example,  "a rebellious teenager
is to be stoned to death."  Respect for your parents and elders is a crucial
trait for a society to have.  The law was given to impress upon the people
the importance of this.  This isn't a law God wants us to follow now.  The
law wasn't written for us. 

Isn't killing killing, no matter WHAT time period you're in? A harsh punishment for something trivial is a harsh punishment for something trivial. How does it make it any more moral to kill back then? Because God said so? If that's the case, why did God change his mind? Is morality that fluid?

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But our society is crumbling because parents don't know the Bible
or what is important to God, and they aren't implementing God's principles
into their families.

Society is crumbling?

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The laws about killing for work on the Sabbath or God condoning slavery are
taken out of context and you have represented them falsely in order to try
and cast doubt on someone's faith.

Again with the out of context. Out of context usually becomes the mantra of those who are doing weird rationalizations for the things that are in the Bible. Nothing more, nothing less.

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I know you don't think God is real and that
there is a judgment coming one day, but sir, there is! 

Proof?

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The activity that
you are engaging in is like you are picking a fight with God, that's scary.

There is nothing scary about an imaginary being.

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Everyone's going to stand before Him one day and give account for their
life.   A person in your position could easily be held accountable for
causing thousand upon thousands of people to turn from the God who can
forgive them and save them from the eternal seperation from God that our sin
causes.

Unsubstantiated assertion.

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The good news is that it is not too late.  We do have a LOVING God who long
to forgive and put His Spirit within anyone who will believe and yield to
him.  Sir, you can be forgiven, restored, and discover for yourself that God
is real and He can forgive you and He can put His Holy Spirt that will give
you a peace and a joy that exceeds all human understanding.

Yes, a loving God who slaughtered tons of people before sending himself to sacrifice himself to appease himself for rules he made. Until you can prove your god, none of this holds any weight.

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One more thing for you to use your critical thinking skills on...

If human beings brains were capable of understanding ALL the motives of God
and EVERYTHING [...?]

?
2 miles!
"All men(humans )were demon possed and were planning to attack God. Just like if you talk back to your parents." - Failbag quote

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Re: i saw your video on utube recently... [#565]
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2008, 01:55:02 AM »
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You ask some interesting questions.  However, you are focused on developing
answers that make God look to be a war mongrul, a cruel being who has no
regard for people.

Okay, we are really sorry about that.  How about for now on we just cherry pick and only display the "good" verses.

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First of all, I'm sure you will have  a major
problem with this but, I know of people who have had their amputee limbs
grow back... " miraculously".

Yes we hear this all the time.  All the time....  Please don't tell us these things unless you can prove it.  Otherwise it's nothing more than hearsay, and truly a waste of time for both of us.

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The verses that you took from the Bible are out of context.

Give some examples of verses that were taken out of context and explain how they were.

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The Old
Testament was written for the Hebrew people before Christ birth.  The rules
God gave them were for them at that time.

If that is so then God is inconsistent.  Why would a perfect being change his laws in the middle of time in which he created?  It doesn't sound like divine planning to me.  It sounds more like human planning.  It sounds like one group trying to control another group.

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Example,  "a rebellious teenager
is to be stoned to death."  Respect for your parents and elders is a crucial
trait for a society to have.  The law was given to impress upon the people
the importance of this.

I really believe "in my heart" that God can resolve problems in a much more peaceful, diplomatic way.  If he just puts his mind to it!

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This isn't a law God wants us to follow now.

Well damn.  I have two rebellious teenagers who don't treat me with the respect I want.  I wanted to kill them but then I found out that God changed his laws without even a 30 day notice.  How inconvenient.  I think I'll switch over to Allah!

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The
law wasn't written for us.

Does God have a double standard?  Read Luke 16:17 & Matthew 5:18-19.

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In the New Testament, we are told to respect the
authority that is over us, that means we are to obey the laws of the land
until they tell us to sin against God.

What a perfect way to form a successful cult!  Tell your fellow humans to respect authority!  Ah yes, what a great way to control the masses.  Absolutely brilliant!

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What the law does tell us for now is
that is shows us just how serious God takes young people disrespecting their
parents.  We can know from this ancient commandment to the Hebrew people
that as parents we need to demand the respect and obedience of our
children.

Okay, so that tells me that the Cult leaders were adults and perhaps had kids of their own.  It's very important to get your kids to obey you and do everything you say at a young age!  That way then when they grow up they can abide by all your selfish, ignorant, hateful laws and do anything you say because God said it!

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But our society is crumbling because parents don't know the Bible
or what is important to God, and they aren't implementing God's principles
into their families.

I guess maybe forcing religious beliefs on children is a great way to earn respect!  Which of God's principles do you find to be most important to get our wonderful, conservative ideal, spread onto everyone?

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The laws about killing for work on the Sabbath or God condoning slavery are
taken out of context and you have represented them falsely in order to try
and cast doubt on someone's faith.

A man picked up sticks near the tabernacle (perhaps to get a fire going) and then he was killed because God said to do it.  How is that taken out of context?  Maybe you just don't want to believe that because it goes against your self-interests.  The same goes for buying and selling slaves as long as they weren't Jewish it was alright (In most cases).  God really has good ole conservative values huh?  He must, because the conservatives of this country during the civil war used the bible as justification for having slaves.  I'm sorry, but as much as wishful thinking won't want to comply, the truth is obvious.

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I'm sure you have your reasons why you are on this crusade to convince
people that God is imaginary.

Well thank you for acknowledging that.

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I'm sorry you feel this way, but sir, you are
treading on such thin ice.  I know you don't think God is real and that
there is a judgment coming one day, but sir, there is!  The activity that
you are engaging in is like you are picking a fight with God, that's scary.

Now which God are we talking about?  I suppose fearing your God would make the most sense since 2 billion people believe in him.  But I am also concerned that maybe popularity trends aren't really that important, and that Allah has a bone to pick with me.  I'm so scared, I guess my best bet would be to praise both Jesus and Muhammad!  Oh wait, they won't like that, will they?  Well, that's it then.  I'm just not going to go with any of them!  If I did anything truly worthy of eternal torture and agonizing pain then so be it.  I won't be forced into lies from fear.  It's just not worth it.

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Everyone's going to stand before Him one day and give account for their
life.

Ah yes, the petty mistakes we made will come back to haunt us by an imaginary God that was created to control foolish, gullible people like you.  I wouldn't even tell anyone about Judgement Day as you should be concerned enough about how naughty you have been.  Hopefully your name isn't in the Book of Death.

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A person in your position could easily be held accountable for
causing thousand upon thousands of people to turn from the God who can
forgive them and save them from the eternal seperation from God that our sin
causes.

A person in your position could easily be held accountable for even talking to atheists as it says in the bible not to.

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The good news is that it is not too late.  We do have a LOVING God who long
to forgive and put His Spirit within anyone who will believe and yield to
him.  Sir, you can be forgiven, restored, and discover for yourself that God
is real and He can forgive you and He can put His Holy Spirt that will give
you a peace and a joy that exceeds all human understanding.

I've been around this all my life so I know how it works.  I wasn't brought up this way, I just learned it from using my common sense.  God created that too (remember?) so try it sometime.

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One more thing for you to use your critical thinking skills on...

If human beings brains were capable of understanding ALL the motives of God
and EVERYTHING [...?]

We don't need to understand absolutely everything or we would be God, as you are implying.  But I won't buy into anything without adequate knowledge and understanding of what's going on.  I don't have to be God to believe in God.  I have to be well informed in order to make a rational decision.