Wait, the son cuckolded him? Is that what that bizarre story is supposed to mean? According to the text he just saw Noah naked (after he passed out drunk) and didn't cover him up. The punishment DOES seem strangely harsh (not to mention misdirected) just for inadvertently catching a glimpse of Dad's willy...I figured it had something to do with not respecting or taking care of your parents...
You can see the cuckhold theory here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_(son_of_Noah)#Curse_of_Canaan
I've also seen, when googling around, that some Christians think that Ham got some sexual thrill seeing his father naked
It's also weird in that Noah didn't curse Ham, but only his son.
(And according to some Christians, and 19th century Mormons, it's the story of how we got black people!)
Anyway, I was reading the story again, and there are other weird details, starting with something about human women fornicating with angels and giving birth to giants (Genesis 6). But it does clearly state that man was full of wickedness and continuous evil in his heart. So the Christian would say that those people exercised their free will in being wicked, and did nothing to be redeemed.
yep, they would. However, the problem with this is that there is nothing to support free will in the bible.
And that curse of Canaan not Ham would seem ot underline this.
According to geologist Robert Schoch, “Noah is but one tale in a worldwide collection of at least 500 flood tales, which are the most widespread of all ancient myths and therefore can be considered among the oldest” Schoch went on to observe: "Narratives of a massive inundation are found all over the world.... Stories of a great deluge are found on every inhabited continent and among a great many different language and culture groups” Ancient civilizations such as (China, Babylonia, Wales, Russia, India, America, Hawaii, Scandinavia, Sumatra, Peru, and Polynesia) all have their own versions of a giant flood."
Nice regurgitation of nonsense there, String. funny how not all civilizations, like, oh, the Egyptians, mention a flood story. It's sad that Mr. Schoch, being a geologist, can't show one bit of evidence for this worldwide flood in the geological record. I'm a geologist so I know exactly what one would look for in that record and darn, it's not there at all.
If cultures descended directly from the flood’s survivors, stories of this traumatic event ought to be both abundant and universal, having been passed down from generation to generation. Indeed, flood traditions are both abundant and universal. Many of these traditions are remarkably consistent, considering the relative isolation of the cultures, the length of time that has elapsed since the flood, and the human tendency to embellish, exaggerate, and distort stories over time. The Babylonian and biblical accounts of the flood appear to represent different retellings of an essentially identical flood tradition.
Which it wasn't, see my examples above. So more lies about this being "universal". And you know why else flood stories could be wide spread, String? Because civilizations have grown up around water sources which, suprise! often flood causes great destruction. Very easy to add that to a myth. And not so suprisingly, the Babylonian flood myth is older than the Jewish one and do you remember when the Israelites were taken to Babylon? Yep, that's right the babylonian captivity would have exposed them to something that they didnt' have before but coopted into their own myths.
About 95% describe a global cataclysmic deluge, 88% tell of a favored family of humans saved from drowning to reestablish the human race after the deluge, 66% say the family was forewarned of the coming cataclysm, 66% blame the wickedness of man for the deluge, and 70% record a boat as being the means by which the chosen family (and animals) survived the flood. More than one third of these traditions mention birds being sent out from the boat. [/size]
Golly a myth that realized that you had to have a male and female to repopulate the earth? Shocking! Please do tell us how Noah got koalas, giant sloths, moas, etc, onto that boat. Where was the food? Even if you pureed the animals they still won't fit. It's also amusing that belivers can't even agree on where this boat came to rest at. You'd think people could remember such details, but they can't even agree on where JC was buried and raised, supposedly the most important event in Christianity, so I guess how could you blame them?
I do wonder, why don't you believe about the story of Deucalion and Phyrra who didn't even need a boat, just staying at the top of a mountain and then throwing stones behind them to create mankind and animals again. It's just as valid as your myth, considering that they have no evidence to support them. Or any one of these: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html