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Offline whom_seek_ye

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Does the Bible reveal the true nature of the true GOD?
« on: April 25, 2011, 06:46:28 PM »
Any book of Scripture that commands, justifies, or excuses
one person killing another person
in the name of religion, or country, or justice-
such a book does not come from GOD...
it is written purely by men
 
Any book of Scripture that presents GOD
as an angry god, a wrathful god, a vengeful god, a jealous god;
that book was not authored by your Heavenly Father...
it came strictly from men
 
Any book of Scripture that demeans and humiliates women;
that puts forth the idea that women are nothing
but the serving vessels of men-
such a book does not come from God…
it was written by men for men
 
Any book of Scripture that promotes the doctrine, …the belief…
in hell fire and brimstone and final judgment;
does not come from GOD…it comes from men
 
Wisdom 12:15-17
Thus would such men as these fashion GOD like unto themselves,
that he might not rise above their own image and likeness,
being small and filled with pettiness
 
That even as they are filled with anger,
so then is the god of their understanding made angry also;
 
as they are filled with hate and loathing,
so have they fashioned god;
 
as they are made subject unto wrath and vengeance,
so have they made subject unto like passions
the god of their own understanding
 
Why then will you be made to fear such a god as this,
who by vain passions is made no greater than the least of you?
 
Will you love him for the sake of fear only?
 
Wisdom 12:55
Guard yourselves therefore,
against the righteousness of churchgoers;
for by word and deed would they hope to make you
subject unto certain men of authority,

that they might hedge up the way against you,
that you might be encompassed round about
with doctrines and creeds of men
 
Wisdom 12:56,57
Watch, therefore and beware:
For in the beginning
did the teachers and preachers of the church
seize the keys of deep knowledge
and with great cunning did they hide them
beneath the robes of their authority,
securing them against you for the sake of their traditions
 
I tell you truly, they shall not enter into the kingdom of God,
neither would they permit that you should enter either
 
Wisdom 12:24-27
By such contrivance
would the teachers and preachers of religion
separate you from the love of God;

that being made fearful,
they might hedge up the way against you
lest you should by some means find again the Father and live
 
Thus would they make Christ
unlike the natural man, being perfect;
that by his death all people
might stand condemned before the cross,
being made worthy of all reproach

Whosoever has ears to hear, let them hear;
for I tell you truly that the love of God manifest itself
not in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ
as these men would have you suppose,
 
but rather in those things
which Yeshua desired to teach unto the children of men
 
That by the exercise of a goodly faith unto good works,
they might draw nigh again unto the Father of their soul,
being made holy even as he is holy

Another thought to ponder for many hours:
 
Did Yeshua make us a way back to the Father
BECAUSE HE WAS KILLED?
or
Was Yeshua killed
BECAUSE HE MADE US A WAY BACK TO THE FATHER

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Re: Does the Bible reveal the true nature of the true GOD?
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2011, 07:55:36 PM »
To whom_seek_ye,

This is a discussion forum, not a platform for preaching.  Please refrain from posting walls of scripture and opinion, without initiating open discussion, by posing a relevant question, or debate on a topic.

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Re: Does the Bible reveal the true nature of the true GOD?
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2011, 10:44:52 AM »
Dear whom_seek_ye
 
Please take note of The Moderation by Jetson. I have taken the unusual step of re-drafting your post and avoiding UPPERCASE, Could I request that you note the style and copy it? Thank you.

The Book of Wisdom, http://www.songofgod.com/ is described there as
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The Song of God is a new book of scripture revealed to Azrael Ondi-Ahman by the Heavenly Mother and Heavenly Father of all humankind. Standing distinctly apart from the Bible and other books of scripture, the Song of God reveals the true nature, character, and disposition of Divine Mind, unveiling through eternal melodies the keys to gnosis and the greater Self.


Chapter 12 contains the following:

Any book of Scripture that
(i)   commands, justifies, or excuses one person killing another person in the name of religion, or country, or justice-
(ii)   presents GOD  as an angry god, a wrathful god, a vengeful god, a jealous god
(iii)   demeans and humiliates women; that puts forth the idea that women are nothing but the serving vessels of men-
(iv)   promotes the doctrine, …the belief… in hell fire and brimstone and final judgment;

does not come from GOD…it comes from men.


The Book advises that the authorities of the church hid the reality from the people as it would have contradicted their traditions. Neither the listeners nor the authorities will enter heaven, as the people will have been separated from the Love of God and give the idea that Christ was not human.

The Book of Wisdom continues that the Love of God has nothing to do with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ but rather that the people do good works.

You ask,
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Did Yeshua make us a way back to the Father because he was killed? Or Was Yeshua killed because he made us a way back to the Father?

The question assumes that we want to know why you are asking, can think of no other alternatives and presumes that we will read 400 odd pages of drivel by some lunatic in order to answer you – frankly, this is unrealistic. It would be far better phrased is you gave some succinct information as to your beliefs.

Thank you, please carry on...
« Last Edit: April 26, 2011, 10:47:50 AM by Graybeard »
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Re: Does the Bible reveal the true nature of the true GOD?
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2011, 11:00:12 AM »
there is nothing here but a bunch of preaching.  i thought this might be a good question or post.  but i was mislead.
please forgive my typos, i suck at written English.

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Re: Does the Bible reveal the true nature of the true GOD?
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2011, 10:46:26 PM »

Did Yeshua make us a way back to the Father
BECAUSE HE WAS KILLED?
or
Was Yeshua killed
BECAUSE HE MADE US A WAY BACK TO THE FATHER

ummmm,

both?

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Re: Does the Bible reveal the true nature of the true GOD?
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2011, 11:21:23 PM »
Anyway, everyone knows that only the works of L. Ron Hubbard reveal the true nature of God.

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Re: Does the Bible reveal the true nature of the true GOD?
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2011, 11:32:16 PM »
Anyway, everyone knows that only the works of L. Ron Hubbard reveal the true nature of God.

LOL!!! I still can't believe anyone fell for that ... I'm mean, c'mon, how gullible can people be???
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Re: Does the Bible reveal the true nature of the true GOD?
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2011, 06:43:47 AM »
Anyway, everyone knows that only the works of L. Ron Hubbard reveal the true nature of God.

LOL!!! I still can't believe anyone fell for that ... I'm mean, c'mon, how gullible can people be???

Even a 2000 year old threat from some random doofus still holds people in fear.

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Re: Does the Bible reveal the true nature of the true GOD?
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2011, 12:40:42 PM »
the quotes from wisdom are interesting, though. i've been reading through it recently, and the passages from wisdom 12 parallel those from romans 1. they bring up the question of what christian scripture consists of, exactly.

lots of discussion here about what christian scripture says, but not much about what it is, at least recently.