First of all I would like to ask who ever wrote those 50 "proofs" on what they were planning to accomplish when they started. Did you set out to find God or to prove that he didn't exist? You argue with science, yet that's not how science works.
Also, why didn't you (you=author of the proofs) leave any contact details? I'm posting here because you didn't leave any, did you not want to be disproved?
Well I'll get to it now.
I'm going to annoy you and tell you a modern day parable.
A man is sitting at home and hears a warning on the TV that a flood is coming and will wipe out everything and everyone is they don't get out right away. This man, being christian, says to himself "Na, I'll be right. God will save me
Not long before the flood waters rise, some of his friends come past in a car and offer him a lift out of the area. Sure enough he says "God will save me"
The flood waters start to rise and some people come past in a boat and make the same offer to which he gives the same reply.
The flood waters rise to a point where he must stand on top of his house, and a rescuehelicopter comes over and they also offer him a way out. But he assures them that God will save him, and they fly off.
Well, the guys drowns and goes to heaven and of course askes God why didn't he save him. God says "I sent a car a boat and a helicopter, what more did you want?"
My point being, can you see the answer to your prayer? God's solution may not be the one you are expecting. Also, do you think God would give you drugs if you asked for them?
Refer to the above
If you actually read the Bible (which after reading your website I doubt you actually did) you would see that it says that people broke away from God and invented their own gods. Also, you are right in the other religions having similarities to old testament stories but these are just stories, parables if you will. Have you considered the possibility that they are copying us?
Again, refer to answer 1
"Put to death" by this God means that they will go to hell IF they don't repent etc... God isn't demanding blood, the Bible references going to heaven/salvation as "Having life" or "Having life in me" so not going to heaven/no salvation would be referred to as death.
You used Hitler and his handy work as an example here, I might add that God says (in reference to the Jews) that he will "Bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you". I don't remember Hitler winning, or surviving WWII for that matter. Answer 1 can also kinda apply here.
About your coin flipping example, try it (without praying if you like) and you'll find that if you flip it 100 times you won't get exactly 50 of each.
And onto Santa, man can fly. We have these cool things called "Airplanes" and "Helicopters" google them if you have no idea what I'm on about.
Houses without chimneys have these holes on the sides known as "Doors" and "Windows" google for more info.
I have also seen fireproof suites, Hollywood uses them all the time for stunts and such.
There are ways to cheat security systems.
Science, the very thing with which you argue is can disprove you in this matter. Is science right? Or is it wrong? Of course you will say wrong, if science can be wrong here can't science be wrong about God's existence as well?
All you have done here is prove that all those elements are natural and the argument is as dumb as "I have a arm, therefore there is no God"
And yet again, refer to answer 1
Answer 1 again
The resurrected Jesus appeared to the 12, one reason why I believe you haven't actually read the Bible.
Evidence of Jesus' miracles, ever heard of the shroud of Turin? Science has proven it to be from the same area and time as Jesus.
Magic (as defined by wikipedia) "is a conceptual system that asserts human ability to control the natural world"
Keyword there, "Human" God is not human, and yes Jesus was but Jesus is God in human form. For example, let's use a computer game as an example. When you perform an action in the game, who is responsible for the action taking place? The game character or the player? Would the character be able to function if no one was playing the game?
"Bought with thy money" Employees maybe? Think mate, think.
So I say "I am God!"
You say "Prove it"
I say "Well you got me there" therefore I am not God.
Jesus did prove it to those whom asked him, yet again I prove you haven't read the Bible.
Paul was also seeking out and killing Christians, read the Bible!
The Israelites where also at war at the time, God was telling them how to win. Does this mean that war is wrong? That the Israelites should have just done nothing and be conquered?
EDIT: and here are some more
First of all, those who talk about Leprechauns also say they are fake. The rest, I have already answered.
I laugh at your proof here, you clearly have not read the Bible and have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
That's what you have to do to be perfect as you say Jesus said. God also says that we can have luxuries if we work for them. Just because I have internet access doesn't mean I'm damned. I work for the money to pay for it, those who maintain it also work for it and are payed for their work.
Can that be said for EVERY SINGLE CHURCH? If not, your point is invalid. Some churches are better off yes, but what about the people who go to those churches? You don't see giant magnificent buildings in poverty stricken areas. Someone(s) with tons of cash have donated, what would be an insignificant amount to them, to have such a building.
Eating his flesh and drinking his blood refers to holy communion, not literally cannibalism. Yet further proof you have no idea what you are talking about.
"They shall be put to death" I have already explained this. Why, may I ask, are you repeating points?
Yet another repeated point. God doesn't care about how shiny his churches are, that's us. We like shiny churches, but we don't go to extraordinary lengths to get those shiny churches. And you also used just one church as the example again, at the very least you should use one church from each christian denomination.
Yet again I laugh at this, how is religion spreading STDs? I ask you.
I heard a talk recently where the guy giving the talk proved there and then the existence of the human soul. He asked for a volunteer whom he stood next to him on the stage. He then said to the crowd of over 3,000 "Look at <insert name here>'s body", every one looked at him and laughed. He told us to stop and then said, "Look at <insert name here>". The whole crowd of over 3,000 people was dead silent. Note that he did not say to look at his body the second time, but what else is there to look at? When we looked at his body we laughed, then we looked again and did not laugh. What else is there to look at when we look at him?
Not all knowing? All I can see is that you don't understand it, we don't understand it but that doesn't mean that God doesn't understand
Ok then, if life is simply chemicals. Make life, go grab some of those chemicals and make life.
Atheism itself is a religion in a sense as it requires one to reject gods and there for atheism is a contradiction by your own terms.
You're repeating points again (running out of ideas are we?)
God does place a burden on Adam. Also, evolution is sexist as every major period in man's evolution, male humans cannot bare children. Evil evolution, bad! Naughty! *Rolls eyes*
Repeated point. I'm gonna guess that only about 30 of these won't be repeated stuff
Wow, another repeat.
Something unique, there's a shock. Now Jesus died to prove to us how much God loves us, the ultimate act of love would be to die for someone you love.
"I sent a car a boat and a helicopter, what more do you want?"
I'd call dying for us in that category.
Repeat, I'm getting sick of these repeats.
Did I read that correctly? This doesn't prove God is fake? I must ask at this point if you are on drugs. But then again, you can't be blamed for writing that, because you didn't. Your computer wrote it.
Just because someone makes a law doesn't mean everyone is going to follow it. Just because I am a Christian doesn't render me incapable of sinning, other wise we would only need one commandment "Be Christian" and we'd all be rendered incapable of murder and such. Just look at crime today, lots of people brake laws. Just because the Bible says not to doesn't mean that we are all going to be perfect. Also, look up annulments. People claim that they are the same thing when they are not.
Lets take another bit of "good news". Say you have cancer, a doctor comes along and says "I have the cure for cancer" it is up to you to choose to have the treatment, not the doctor.
Whoa, I almost forgot about you repeating points before. Thanks for reminding me
I said thanks, you can stop there.
I said stop.
"According to the Bible God incarnated himself. He created an entire human body named Jesus. That is not a "clue" -- that is a huge, obvious piece of evidence."
Wow, you're smarter than I thought. You have no idea how truthful that statement is.
And you where doing so well with that last statement, REPEAT!!
Noah's ark is a parable. Some Christians may disagree with me, so using this is an invalid argument to use as prove against God.
I find that "Non-Believers" are the ones mostly getting STDs and commiting murders and such. Have you been living under a rock?
This is another one of those petty little things that the separate denominations argue about. So you can't use it here. Some Christians believe God used evolution in creation while some don't
These people who speak for God that you mentioned, my first answer could be applied here as someone who got in the car/boat/helicopter. IE: Someone who recognizes God and acts accordingly.
Jesus has appeared to people since the occurrences in the Bible. Actually research what you attack before you attack it.
I went back and counted 14 repeated points.
Now, without the Bible. I shall prove God's existence.
This is from a short write-up which answers the question of whether or not God can be proved.
Can the existence of God be proved?
Before we answer this question, it is important to remember that the human mind is designed for truth, and it is restless until it attains the truth. Therefore out task should not be to “prove” something just because it suits us, but rather, to find the truth. In the past it had happened that people have attempted to prove, for example, that God does not exist, because it suits them to believe this, not because it is the truth.
The other thing that must be borne in mind is that if God does exist (as will be apparent when the various proofs are digested) He must be infinite and immaterial, and it would therefore not be possible to examine Him “under a microscope”
Thus, in our attempt to discover whether God exists, the uses of scientific instruments (such as telescopes, carbon dating) are useless as they deal with material realities. Unfortunately, the inability to find God in this way has also led some people to believe that he does not exist.
The answer to our question is that it can be proved that God exists by the use of our reason alone. Or, to be more precise, it can be proved by logical argument that God cannot not exist.
There are a number of good ways of demonstrating God’s existence, and many volumes have been written on this topic. Needless to say, it would be unrealistic to give exhaustive proofs in this limited thread. Therefore, we shall set down only four proofs of God’s existence, briefly.
The first proof is the argument from motion. We observe in reality things that are in motion. (Here motion means any sort of change, not just change of place.) Now, whatever is in motion must have been put in motion by another. If we move up the chain of movers, we must eventually come to a first mover, which was itself unmoved by any other, but caused motion in other things. The first mover must of course be God, since if there were no first mover, there could be no movement at all.
You might be wondering why it is not possible to have an endless chain of movers. The answer to this is best demonstrated by way of analogy. If there were no first mover, then the universe would be like a freight-train moving without an engine. Each carriage’s motion could be explained ostensibly by the carriage in front of it. The guard can moves because the sheep van pulls it, the sheep van moves because the refrigerated van pulls it etc. But there is no engine to pull the first car, and thus the whole train. That would be impossible of course, but that is what the universe would be like without God: impossible. Therefore there must be an “engine” which does not get it’s motion from another, but rather causes motion in other things.
The second argument concerns causality. In the world we observe things that have be caused. My parents caused me, my grandparents caused them etc. No-one have ever observed anything which has caused itself: for if something was to cause itself it would have to exist prior to itself, which is impossible. Now the universe is like a great chain of causes with each link being held up by the one above it. But if there is no God the whole chain is suspended by nothing, which is impossible. If there was no (uncaused) first cause, there would be no subsequent causes. But we know that there are causes and effects in reality, therefore there must be a first cause – God.
You might be wondering why there cannot be an endless chain of causes, but we know that every “thing” (anything composed of matter) has a definite starting point in history. Some try to get around this problem by proposing that the universe as a whole is eternal, but this too must have been caused by another, otherwise it would have to have existed prior to itself in order to cause itself, which is absurd.
The third proof considers possibility and necessity. It is more complicated than others, and runs thus. We find in nature things that are possible to be and not be, since things are found to be cause in time and to corrupt in time as well. For example, there was a time (before my conception) when I was not, and sooner or later I will die and my body will corrupt (my body will no longer “be”). And before my car was made it was not, and sooner or later it will exist no longer. But it is impossible for these always to exist, for “things” are contingent, which means that they have a definite starting point in time. Now, it follows that every material thing, at some time was not. We know from the previous proof that if there was a time when nothing existed, then even now nothing would exist. Therefore something must exist, the existence of which is necessary. This “necessary thing” can not have been cause by another: it must have in itself its own necessity, not receiving it from another, but causing existence in other things. This necessary Being we know as God.
The fourth argument states that where there is design there must be a designer. Since we observe the existence of design throughout the universe, there must be a universal designer. You might be wondering why we must accept the first premise of this argument, but everyone accepts this principle in practice. For example, if an atheist was walking along a deserted beach and discovered a wristwatch lying on the sand, he wouldn’t be silly enough to say “Wow! Look at this watch! Isn’t it amazing how the eroding rocks and the shifting sands, and the action of the waves over aeons of time have brought these intricate parts together, and made this working watch!” No, he would be more likely to say, “I wonder how this watch got here? Who owns it?”, and possibly even look at the brand name to see “Who made it?”
A story is told of two astronomers who were friends: one was religious and the other was an atheist. The atheist visited his astronomer friend one day and saw on a table a working model of our solar system. The atheist remarked how brilliant the model was, and asked his friend who made it.
“No-one made it”, said the believer, “it just happened!”
The atheist asked again, “who made it?”
“No-one!” was the reply.
“No, seriously, who made it?” he asked again.
The believer laughed. He told his friend how absurd nit was that he was certain that the model must have been made by someone, yet he had convinced himself that he whole universe, (far superior to any model humans could make), could have just “happened”
Therefore, it can be proved from reason alone that God must exist: “blind faith” is not required and atheism is an unreasonably assumption.