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Hey, i believe you..... [#548]
« on: October 16, 2008, 06:25:31 AM »
 
thanks for your logical way of thinking.....
it opens up new ways of thinking...
heck i was a non believer not just in christianity but all religions since i was in elementary. and now i am 16 and still not as an atheist but an agnostic. but yeah keep up the great work and keep on fighting your beliefs.

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Re: Hey, i believe you..... [#548]
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2008, 06:46:59 AM »
I didn't make the videos, but here's a few things to consider on the whole agnostic and atheist concept;




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What is your religious position?
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=833

I'm an agnostic atheist; I do not know for certain, but I think there are no gods.  If someone wants to show me that gods -- one or more -- are more likely than not, they can go for it.  So far, the god of the Christians seems to have no real support beyond assertions that their religious book is true and tradition. 
Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons. --Michael Shermer

The history of religion is a long attempt to reconcile old custom with new reason, to find a sound theory for an absurd practice.  --Sir James George Frazer

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Re: Hey, i believe you..... [#548]
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2008, 03:59:18 PM »
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yeah you are totally right, well right as in that is where i stand as well. If there's someone out there that can scientifically prove that there is a god then yeah ill believe.

And another thing is that, i stand for myself at school, but when it comes to adults, i can't really do much as in i don't want to because I'm respectful and shouldn't argue with an adult, but to my friends yeah.

But overall I am still respectful of their religious belief.

When talking to them, my whole purpose is not to make them disbelieve, that would just make me look like an jerk. but i just want them to think outside the religious bubble like you say.

Make them think, what if they just might be wrong, If i was wrong i would accept it. But will they?

But yeah i really would like to talk to you more about this. I have never had someone with the same beliefs or more like logical thinker as myself to kind of help me out.

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Re: Hey, i believe you..... [#548]
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2008, 09:23:57 PM »
Thanks for the reply.   Here are some brief comments to consider...


Agnostic atheist ...

I can see telling most people that you are an agnostic.  It's much less likely for the ardent religious to take it as a challenge to the nonsense they believe.   Tact is an important part of life.  When I have time and don't have to deal with a$$holes ($$ to pass cuss word filter) I use the complete term "agnostic atheist" even if it causes some confusion.


Courtesy is not respect...

I agree that you should be *courteous* towards people's religious beliefs, and to other people in general.  Respect for beliefs, though, must be earned.  It's not a gimmie.


Not so brief comments...

Make no mistake; I do respect people's rights to believe anything they wish.  I do not respect the beliefs, though, unless I agree with them or aspire to them.  An example: I'll fight for the KKK's right to march, while I'll fight for the right of anyone to combat them with words in public if they intend to spout that nonsense in public.

Anyone who speaks in public should be able to defend what they say with words and not get offended even if others challenge them with a belly laugh.

One of the problems is that any mention of non-Christian ideas tends to make some people get angry -- they are showing a lack of courtesy and, let's not mince words, they are bigots. 

"Make them think, what if they just might be wrong, If i was wrong i would accept it. But will they?"

I entirely agree.  Many won't.  Pat Condell has some wisdom and wisecracks on that issue;

Video:
Transcript: http://stage.dotsub.com/view/3b95169f-8aa5-40d3-9120-fc214fe8f416

"But yeah i really would like to talk to you more about this. I have never had someone with the same beliefs or more like logical thinker as myself to kind of help me out."

Keep in mind that atheism isn't equal to logic.  There are illogical crystal hugging quantum power pyramid atheists out there.  Thankfully, it seems to be that there are very few, yet my sister is an atheist that still thinks there are 'energies'.  Well, there are ... but not in the way the new age people think.  For the real 'energies', talk to a physicist!   ;D


Come by the forums if you want.  This place is not for everyone, and there are other places to go that may be more your style.

Here are some other good sites;

http://www.atheistthinktank.net -- Spawned from the forums here.

http://www.stateofprotest.com/blog -- Blog spawned from some of the regulars here.

http://planetatheism.com -- A very active blogroll

http://atheistnexus.org -- Social groups on just about any subject

http://www.atheistnation.net -- Videos and discussions

http://richarddawkins.net -- Blog with active members

http://www.rationalresponders.com -- The Rational Responders ... very good group

http://www.atheist-experience.com -- They do two programs -- one video call in show and ...

http://www.nonprophetsradio.com -- .. one 'radio' show that is a bit more structured ... plus ...

http://wiki.ironchariots.org -- ... one of the best resources when dealing with persistent Christian preachers.

...and this is just the tip of the mountain.  Many many more out there ... if anything, too many!
Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons. --Michael Shermer

The history of religion is a long attempt to reconcile old custom with new reason, to find a sound theory for an absurd practice.  --Sir James George Frazer

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Re: Hey, i believe you..... [#548]
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2008, 09:30:38 PM »
Hermes, you are simply awesome.

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Re: Hey, i believe you..... [#548]
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2008, 12:39:21 AM »
Ah, yes indeed he is!

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Re: Hey, i believe you..... [#548]
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2008, 07:09:19 PM »
[ kicks dust, says 'aw shucks', gets over it...posts video ]

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Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons. --Michael Shermer

The history of religion is a long attempt to reconcile old custom with new reason, to find a sound theory for an absurd practice.  --Sir James George Frazer