Okay, so you have your own version of the Bible. Some things are taken literally (the trinity is not in the Bible) and yet you are still cherry-picking (hell is not eternal). There is the "lake of burning sulfur" where the devil and the false prophet (a human) are thrown, and "they will be tormented day and night, for ever and ever"- Rev 20:10- so this hell is eternal, and there is a human in it. You could argue that the "lake of fire" mentioned in Rev 20:15 is not the "lake of burning sulfur", but there is still an eternal hell, with at least one non-believer in it.
I believe the correct word there is aion (forever), I may be incorrect. Which means for a period of time. And if you read many verses, there is much talk of destruction, of walking on the ashes of the non-believers.
It uses the root word "aión" twice- so for ever and for ever again. http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/165.htm
I got the Greek interlinear Bible, looked up the words, and this site also says "aión" can mean for eternity ("and of one of a series of ages stretching to infinity.") The same word is used in other places to mean "an age", but pretty much every single Bible since the KJV translates it's use here to "forever and ever". Even those who use "age" use it as "to the ages of the ages." (source: http://bible.cc/revelation/20-10.htm
Question: Why do you believe in YHWH and not, for example, El Eljon or El Shaddai, who are other Gods of the Bible? Many Christians don't know that when the Bible says "Elohim" it's not referring to YHWH. What makes YHWH so much better than El Eljon or El Shaddai?
I will admit that I am weak in my knowledge of these other names. I know that some of the names have to do with the Hebrew language and translation. (Many of you will take this has a weakness.)
I know in Exodus 6:3 is where he reveals his true name as YHWH. Deuteronomy 6:4 is not confusing at all about how many number he is.
Exodus 6:3 just said that God showed himself as El Shaddai to Abraham, Issac, and Jacob; while to Moses he said his name was YHWH. This is interesting, since he also told Moses in Exodus 3:15 that he was YHWH, and Elohei. YHWH translates to "The Lord" and Elohai as "God" (http://biblos.com/exodus/3-15.htm
). So wouldn't God's real name be Elohai, since that means "God"? Don't you wonder why there are all these different names for God? It's because the Pentateuch has 4 authors and one person who just tried to make everything mesh. You see that meshing here- the writer is trying to make all the different names for the Hebrew GodS into one. (http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_tora1.htm
Please, learn about the history of the book you claim as holy before declaring you are on the "one true path" and following the "one true God (Elohai=God)" when you don't even know the true name of your God since he is based off of different gods.
Micah 6:6-9 does not answer the question of biblical literalism. Micah 6:6-7 just talk about offering sacrifices, from rams to oil to your child, as a forgiveness of sin. Verse 8 tells you that you need to act justly, love mercy, and to walk humbly with God. Verse 9 has nothing to do with any of the others. Nothing about how to see if a verse is literal or not.
Forgive me, 6-8.
You all know that animals were sacrificed for man's sins (not to your child, this much is obvious). The writer is stating that God see's the inner man and man must "do justice, love kindness, and walk humbly with God."
I question your reading comprehension here. I used "from A to B to C" within commas to indicate that they were to be taken as a group. You didn't think I meant that you sacrificed your rams to your oil, and then sacrificed the oil to your child, then sacrificed your child to god, did you? When something is in commas, like in the case above and here, it's being shown as a group and as an example. You take from the first comma and could take out the words between them and make sense. Hence, you could do that as: "just talk about offering sacrifices as a forgiveness of sin." I think you are a native English speaker and should know this. If not, what language are you reading your Bible in, and which translation? If you can't understand the basics of a sentence in English, you should not be offering literary criticism on something as complicated as the Bible (in English).
"What is truth?" Pontious Pilate quote. The truth is this, eternal life. And all those who love his commandments will receive it.
So, which of Jesus' commandments do you follow? You are kosher, right? You don't wear fiber of two mixed fibers and you don't eat shellfish? How many adulterers and disobedient children have
you stoned? You see, Jesus did not come to get rid of the OT laws, (Matthew 5:17-18) but to tell people that "not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished". Also, have you learned to type with one hand? I'm sure you have sinned using your right hand, so Jesus says to cut it off. Have you ever looked at a woman lustfully? Do you still have both eyes? If you still have both eyes and both hands, you are not following what Jesus said. Unless you are typing from a library computer, since you have no home or possessions (since Jesus told you to sell everything and give it to the poor) then you are not following Jesus's words.
Every example above was taken from Matthew 5 and 6. There are many more examples in just these 2 chapters. Make sure you are following Jesus, and not the fake prophet Paul. Paul takes the things Jesus says and corrupts it and twists the meanings of it. I don't know how he got into the Bible.
I have family members, not immediate, who call themselves believers, who know no truth. Division, YES.
And when one of my immediate family members goes astray, even a little. Division, yes.
I hope you don't mind that I moved the two posts of yours together to keep the idea going. So, do you love your family or do you hate them? Do any of your family members have the exact
same beliefs as you do? You seem to have trouble finding a church where you approve of the believers (since you have your own twisted version of what the scriptures mean), so I would think it would be hard for even your family to have the exact same beliefs as you.
You are judging your family members by saying they are going astray. Who are you to know the inner workings of their mind? What if the things you think are "astray" are actually supported by the Bible? You, sir, are judging- something Jesus said not to do. Another command of Jesus you are not following.
Not to toot my own horn, but as you can see I know the Bible quite well, from the years I read it daily and taking notes on it. I learned even more on this site. There are so many contradictions in there that you can use it to support genocide, rape, murder, polygamy, and so much more. Feel free to ask me about any of these- I can support them with verses if you wish.
I know you probably got distracted, but I would like to hear what you think about the rest of my post.
- if the latter, how did you come to them?
Reading and obeying.
- understanding that I have been religious and then came to believe it was all a load of rubbish, explain to me why I should believe what you believe.
I did something very odd when reading the Gospels. I obeyed his words, truly from the heart. And guess what, it actually works.
I too, at one time, obeyed the Bible as close to literal as I could get, all day every day for years. I truly believed in God, everything, heart and soul. In the middle of that time, I had a mental breakdown and became severely depressed and suicidal. I even had a verse in the Bible telling me suicide was a forgivable sin (the only unforgivable sin being cursing the Holy Spirit), so I could somehow kill myself and still go to heaven. No matter how hard I tried to keep it, I lost hope. This is all while I was still a devout believer, by the way.
- how do you know your religious ideas are correct?
One word that you all lack, Hope.
1. You are assuming here. I now have hope in my life, something I have only found as a non-believer since the onset of my illness. I don't get hope from God, I get it from trying to make the best out of what I've got.
2. If hope is the only way you know your ideas are correct, I feel sorry for you. I can hope all I want that there is a fluffy pink unicorn out there just for me, but that doesn't make it correct or real. I'm a person of facts. There is no evidence for the bible out there besides itself and other propaganda. There are no remains in the desert of Moses and the people he led out of Egypt. There are no signs that a large Jewish population resided in Egypt at the time of Moses. I spoke above about the "one, true God of the Bible" and how that's a lie. There are more than one God in the Bible, they have different names given to them by the people who wrote that part of the Bible. If your book can't even agree on if there is one God or many, don't you think that would be a HUGE stumbling block for someone with faith?