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Are these rock solid biblical contradictions?
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Romans 9:27-28
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men.
Genesis 5:24
"And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him."
LookingUntoJesus was not much help here:
http://www.lookinguntojesus.net/ata20030601.htm
The bible says that all men must die in some places and that not all have died in others.
Here is another classic:
Matthew 26:29
"I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."
"There they offered Jesus wine to drink, mixed with gall, but after tasting it..."
Matthew 27:34
NOTE: Some bibles say "vinegar" instead of wine. Scribes changed this text and so it is in some manuscripts (See Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman).
Jardenix:
No. Yes, all people, die and get judged. They can die again, (which is Hell). Or LIVE, which is Heaven.
Clarification: It's saying that after people physically die, they are judged. So it's telling that Jesus died to save us from the judgement. So He can "look" at us without sin. Once one accepts Jesus as savior, his sins are wiped away and are no more. That person, is "clean".
Romans 5:12 says that because we sin, everyone will physically die.
Genesis 5:24: Enoch walked with God, which means he was pleasing to God. So much in fact that God took him into Heaven on the spot, without him having to Die or be judged.
Matthew 26:29 Jesus says He won't drink, "the fruit of this vine", UNTIL his disciples reach Heaven with him, then will He drink it.
switch:
Alright J, then what about Enoch? Why didn't he die?
velkyn:
And Elijah?
you did say "all people die", Jardenix. Did you mean all but Enoch, Elijah, etc?
Did he or did he not drink wine after he said he wouldn't? Are you saying that it was only the wine from one particular vine that he wouldn't drink? Which version of the Bible shall we believe?
Jardenix:
"Alright J, then what about Enoch? Why didn't he die?"
He didn't die because in this special case, God actually took him into Heaven before he died. He loved God so much that God took him into Heaven, without him having to die.
"And Elijah?
you did say "all people die", Jardenix. Did you mean all but Enoch, Elijah, etc?
Did he or did he not drink wine after he said he wouldn't? Are you saying that it was only the wine from one particular vine that he wouldn't drink? Which version of the Bible shall we believe?"
"Suddenly, a chariot of fire and horses of fire appear and Elijah is lifted up to heaven in a whirlwind. As Elijah is lifted up, his mantle falls to the ground and Elisha picks it up."
Yes, I did say all people die. In the Bible times these people were special - an exception. Now a days, this doesn't happen anymore. It's now appointed that everyone will die.
He didn't say He would drink the wine, UNTIL, He and His disciples were in Heaven.
It's in the Bible that it is harder, maybe even impossible, for an unsaved person to interpret the Bible correctly.
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