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3rd century Amputee Healed!
« on: February 02, 2011, 10:01:58 AM »
God apparrently does not do restorations of amputations, but allows his saints to do the job:

Sts. Cosmas and Damian died ca. 287

Arab twin brothers and Christian martyrs who practiced faith healing back in the third century A.D. One of their most famous miracles was transplanting the black leg of a dead Ethiopian man onto a white man whose leg was severely ulcerated.



according to legend they stayed true to their faith, enduring being hung on a cross, stoned and shot by arrows and finally suffered execution by beheading. (Which is ironic, as you would have thought that they could have grown new heads or at least God would have inspired someone to do what the saints had done.)

From Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saints_Cosmas_and_Damian

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What are said to be their skulls are venerated in the convent of the Clares in Madrid, where they have been since 1581, the gift of Maria, daughter of Emperor Charles V. [...]
Other skulls said to be theirs have been discovered at Easter 1334 by Burchard Grelle, Prince-Archbishop of Bremen. He "personally 'miraculously' retrieved the relics of the holy physicians Cosmas and Damian, which were allegedly immured and forgotten in the quire of the Bremen Cathedral.
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At least since 1413, another pair of skulls is stored in St Stephens's Cathedral in Vienna.

Who'd have thought that at a time when nothing was known of the way the body worked, the blood circulated - see picture, no blood anywhere - or the immune system - let alone basic hygiene - see picture - that a pair of twins could join one leg to another without stitching?

What I want to know is, what happened to the Ethiopian when he got to heaven? Did he have the spirit of the white leg transplanted on to his missing one?
Nobody says “There are many things that we thought were natural processes, but now know that a god did them.”

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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2011, 10:26:01 AM »
I that where Dairy Queen got the idea for the twist ice cream cone?

Also, did the guy start running half marathons?
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2011, 10:35:43 AM »
I gotta say, that leg they chopped off doesn't look in particularly bad shape.  Clearly, they are just hoarding body parts.
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2011, 10:38:54 AM »
What they're probably not telling you is that they killed a perfectly healthy black ethiopian to perform this "miracle" for a white guy.
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2011, 10:57:47 AM »
looks like transplant surgery ........hardly a miracle healing
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2011, 11:03:11 AM »
I spoke to abruptly.....maybe the true believers could try this with body parts from the dead...............funny how they used an etheopians leg,,,,,cutting the leg of a dead white man would be blasphemy
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2011, 11:18:52 AM »
I like the angels assisting with the surgery...I don't think the nurses' union would allow that today.

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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2011, 11:20:10 AM »
I've just noticed - look at the patient's left leg and foot... (Ctrl + '+' to zoom in) the foot is really weird, I reckon they cut off the wrong one!
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2011, 11:51:39 AM »
Well even if they did do the leg "grafting"... did it actually work?  :?  Funny how the painting is not of the healed dude walking around after the procedure  :police:
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2011, 01:13:57 PM »
ah, that's nothing. WE have this great epic

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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2011, 01:35:14 PM »
I gather healing leg ulcers was too difficult?

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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2011, 01:51:08 PM »
now that's the question!  ;D
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2011, 02:06:13 PM »
I gather healing leg ulcers was too difficult?

--J.D.

Oh that reminds me.  I just saw a program about King Henry, and all the health problems he ended up with, among them leg ulcerations.  Oh the horrid things his many physicians did to him.  Of course, they had to do something, else 'Off with their heads!'
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2011, 02:25:03 PM »
I watched that last night too and thought "what an appropo topic for today!" Poor Henry, he seems like quite a lout, but what a horrible thing to suffer.

I can understand why one would resort to amputation if there was nothing else, but considering that anythign an be healed per Christianity, there's no need to have amputated anything in the first place. 
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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2011, 02:47:15 PM »
I watched that last night too and thought "what an appropo topic for today!" Poor Henry, he seems like quite a lout, but what a horrible thing to suffer.

A terrible way to go for sure.  Although clearly old Henry had some issues.  I mean, those codpieces!   :o



Honestly, men  .... yes, I'm looking at you Dr. X.....
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2011, 03:49:19 AM »
Honestly, men  .... yes, I'm looking at you Dr. X.....

Yes, Henry's is rather small.

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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2011, 10:10:09 PM »
I like the angels assisting with the surgery...I don't think the nurses' union would allow that today.

The angel on the right seems to be getting herself a little action up his "good" leg  :o
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2011, 03:49:00 AM »
The angel on the right seems to be getting herself a little action up his "good" leg  :o

That's honourable service right there.  Distraction can be quite an effective anesthetic  ;)
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2011, 01:22:40 AM »
this is not a picture, this is a painting, and if you beleive it, prove it, chop off your finger and tape on one you found at a morticians clinic at the hospital or buy off a bum, the only thing that will happen is you lose a finger and get a really bad infection, so have fun!

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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2011, 02:57:25 PM »
Wow, a painting. Well, that's all the evidence I need.  It must be true!

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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2011, 10:34:38 AM »
While it may have seemed miraculous at the time, it's more likely that they just bumbled their way into a successful transplant surgery. Nice painting though.

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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2011, 11:16:32 AM »
perhaps an attempt at transplant surgery. Definitly nothing to say it was sucessful at all.  :)
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2011, 01:02:59 PM »
i find it a bit strange that the angels are straight up midgets.
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2011, 01:27:56 PM »
yep, they certainly aren't the angels as described in the bible. 
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2011, 02:59:54 AM »
Ha Ha you guys make me laugh. This is an account of saints preforming a miracle and an artists depiction of it, yet you seem to think this is a photograph and a legal transcript or something. I think this is actually an answer to your question. Sure this probably isn't the evidence your looking for but definitely shouldn't be neglected or dismissed completely. However, before anyone goes off on a bunch of fallacies, understand that it is 3rd century and has the same probability of having hard evidence now a days as everything else that occurred almost 2 millennia ago.

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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2011, 03:11:42 AM »
... yet you seem to think this is a photograph and a legal transcript or something.

Well I'll be darned  :o ... thanks for pointing that out  :police:
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2011, 07:34:46 AM »
Ha Ha you guys make me laugh. This is an account of saints preforming a miracle and an artists depiction of it, yet you seem to think this is a photograph and a legal transcript or something. I think this is actually an answer to your question. Sure this probably isn't the evidence your looking for but definitely shouldn't be neglected or dismissed completely. However, before anyone goes off on a bunch of fallacies, understand that it is 3rd century and has the same probability of having hard evidence now a days as everything else that occurred almost 2 millennia ago.

Well, slap me upside the head and call me stupid!  I thought it was a real documented case of a healing!

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« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2011, 09:50:50 AM »
Ha Ha you guys make me laugh. This is an account of saints preforming a miracle and an artists depiction of it, yet you seem to think this is a photograph and a legal transcript or something.
No, we don't, but Christains have.

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I think this is actually an answer to your question. Sure this probably isn't the evidence your looking for but definitely shouldn't be neglected or dismissed completely. However, before anyone goes off on a bunch of fallacies, understand that it is 3rd century and has the same probability of having hard evidence now a days as everything else that occurred almost 2 millennia ago.
Why not since there has been not one single example of this actually happening?  Shall we go with the dragon that St. George supposedly killed being true too since that's also in paintings?   

I do love how we can have hard evidence of many things but not of religious claims.  Not suprisingly, those just can't seem to keep their "evidence" around.  How wonderfully "convenient"! :P
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Re: 3rd century Amputee Healed!
« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2011, 10:28:40 AM »
There is something so ironic about people who speak up to point out to US how this sort of thing "isn't real"...  Apparently sarcasm is not part of their native language.

Here is an example for you types:

"OH MY GOD! This is a PHOTOGRAPH! From the THIRD CENTURY! The fact that there even IS a photograph from so long ago PROVES this is a MIRACLE!!!"

That, my dears, is called "sarcasm":

sar·casm
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–noun
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.

It is a rhetorical device (that means "fancy way of talkin' ") that we use in order to demonstrate derision (that means "fancy way of makin' fun") in response to something utterly ludicrous (that means "really stupid, like, way stupid man, omg, 2 stupid, ok?").
String1248: "We Christian most certainly can use the bible to prove that what the bible says is true because I know that everything that comes from it is true. Christians confirm scripture with other scripture all the time."