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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #116 on: December 27, 2011, 02:51:03 PM »
And your prophet had sex with a 9 year old girl. Your prophet is an even more horrible role model.
Emily, I'm not sure there's any mileage in this point; the Age of Consent in the UK in the 16th century was 10.

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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #117 on: December 27, 2011, 02:52:32 PM »
the pope changed the bible...HOW CAN YOU CHANGE HEAVENLY TEXT

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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #118 on: December 27, 2011, 02:52:45 PM »
SMM is sounding awfully Poe's Law/Troll to me.
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An Omnipowerful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren't going to live up to his standards.

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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #119 on: December 27, 2011, 02:58:37 PM »
... only that this book has everything true

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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #120 on: December 27, 2011, 03:00:05 PM »
the pope changed the bible...HOW CAN YOU CHANGE HEAVENLY TEXT

For this to have any merits, you have to prove that the Koran is work of an actual supernatual being(whenever a god or something else). 

Can you demostrate that the Koran is the work of a supernatual being?


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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #121 on: December 27, 2011, 03:09:38 PM »
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the pope changed the bible...HOW CAN YOU CHANGE HEAVENLY TEXT
And why did Uthman produce his standardized version of the Qur'an? Because the text was being changed... wiki:
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when the standard copies were made widely available to the Muslim community everywhere, then all other material was burnt voluntarily by the Muslim community themselves. The annihilation of these extra-Qur'anic documents remained essential in order to eradicate scriptural incongruities, contradictions of consequence or differences in the dialect from the customary text of the Qur'an.

So the answer to HOW CAN YOU CHANGE HEAVENLY TEXT is, "very easily, as history shows".

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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #122 on: December 27, 2011, 03:12:00 PM »
the pope changed the bible...HOW CAN YOU CHANGE HEAVENLY TEXT

There's nothing to say your text is "heavenly".  We have a legend about Mo and the magic horse.  Nothing to support it, nor his little chat with Gabriel.  Considering that it can't even get simple description right, there's no reason to think that some god had anything to do with it.  You have the same tribal fascination with hair like the god of the Jews and Christians do. How impressive for a god to care about barbering.  And your book repeats many of the same myths, all of course without anything to support that they actually happened.   

The Egyptian Book of the Dead makes more sense by what it claims, so by your reasoning, it's even more holy and more true.  Heck, the book Dianetics, by the Scientologists, hasn't been changed either so gee, it must be true too and there's probably more copies of it floating around than your magic book.
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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #123 on: December 27, 2011, 03:15:22 PM »
yes,there have been attempts but...without success the quran has been the same

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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #124 on: December 27, 2011, 03:20:30 PM »
For political reasons.  Not for supernatural reasons.

There's nothing special about politics.
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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #125 on: December 27, 2011, 03:20:54 PM »
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the pope changed the bible...HOW CAN YOU CHANGE HEAVENLY TEXT
And why did Uthman produce his standardized version of the Qur'an? Because the text was being changed... wiki:
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when the standard copies were made widely available to the Muslim community everywhere, then all other material was burnt voluntarily by the Muslim community themselves. The annihilation of these extra-Qur'anic documents remained essential in order to eradicate scriptural incongruities, contradictions of consequence or differences in the dialect from the customary text of the Qur'an.

So the answer to HOW CAN YOU CHANGE HEAVENLY TEXT is, "very easily, as history shows".

The history of the Koran is so dodgy that it makes the Bible look written in stone by comparison. All sorts of inscriptions that predate and are completely in conflict with the standrd text show up regularly in archeology. It is quite clear, very little of the Koran is "unchanged"
An Omnipowerful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren't going to live up to his standards.

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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #126 on: December 27, 2011, 03:22:18 PM »
One of the nature of the
oceans that scientists
recently found have been
revealed in one verse of the
Holy Quran (QS-Ar-Rahman:
19-20) as follows : He let the
two seas flow, both the meet,
(but) between them, there is a
limit which can not be passed
by each.
Nature of this sea, namely
meet each other, but not mixed
with each other at all, just found by expert sea. Because
the style of physics called "surface tension", waters in
the sea close together will not be mixed. Because of the
differences caused by the thickness of water, the voltage
prevent the surface ocean are both mixed with each other,
as if have thin walls in between them.
Interestingly, in the period when people do not have any
knowledge physics, surface tension or the ocean experts,
this knowledge has been revealed in the Holy Quran.
Fresh Water in Ocean Depth
By: Ir. H. Bambang Pranggono, MBA....THE QURAN HAS EVERYTHING TRUE

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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #127 on: December 27, 2011, 03:24:27 PM »
It depends on which book you're talking about, Hatter.

For example, the KJV Bible has remained basically unchanged...since it was authorized back in 1769.  Of course, it's been changed since the 1611 version, but if you're only looking at the 1769 version, then it's been unchanged.

It's all a matter of how far back we're willing to look.
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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #128 on: December 27, 2011, 03:25:59 PM »
then find me a verse which contradicts itself,is not true,or any thing else which makes it unhevenly

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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #129 on: December 27, 2011, 03:26:53 PM »
How can one tell whether a verse is heavenly or not?
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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #130 on: December 27, 2011, 03:27:39 PM »
yes,there have been attempts but...without success the quran has been the same
And as Velkyn said, so what if the Qur'an hasn't changed since Uthman? What does that prove?

You seem to have given up talking about the 'scientific miracles' of the Qur'an. Your point about the text isn't particularly significant.

What else have you got?


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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #131 on: December 27, 2011, 03:29:24 PM »
SMM is sounding awfully Poe's Law/Troll to me.
I've met a number of Muslims who sound just like SMM...
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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #132 on: December 27, 2011, 03:30:04 PM »
One of the nature of the oceans that scientists recently found have been revealed in one verse of the Holy Quran (QS-Ar-Rahman:19-20) as follows : He let the two seas flow, both the meet, (but) between them, there is a limit which can not be passed by each. Nature of this sea, namely meet each other, but not mixed with each other at all, just found by expert sea. Because the style of physics called "surface tension", waters in the sea close together will not be mixed. Because of the
differences caused by the thickness of water, the voltage prevent the surface ocean are both mixed with each other,
as if have thin walls in between them. Interestingly, in the period when people do not have any knowledge physics, surface tension or the ocean experts, this knowledge has been revealed in the Holy Quran. Fresh Water in Ocean Depth
By: Ir. H. Bambang Pranggono, MBA....THE QURAN HAS EVERYTHING TRUE

The waters in the sea constantly meet and mix.  Surface tension does not apply at all.  There are indeed changes between densities of fresh and salt water, but they do mix.   What a bunch of lies that this Muslim finds necessary to tell. 

Hmm and where the magic book fails?  Oh claiming that the earth is flat, the sun moves around the earth, claiming that bees eat fruit (they don't, only nectar from flowers and pollen), the sun sits in a muddy pool when it sets, etc.  It's about as ignorant as the bible and appropriately so since it was written by ignorant men.
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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #133 on: December 27, 2011, 03:32:37 PM »
u can google that yourself ,i just gave u something about oceans....look at the page first

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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #134 on: December 27, 2011, 03:37:08 PM »
It depends on which book you're talking about, Hatter.

For example, the KJV Bible has remained basically unchanged...since it was authorized back in 1769.  Of course, it's been changed since the 1611 version, but if you're only looking at the 1769 version, then it's been unchanged.

It's all a matter of how far back we're willing to look.

I am say since the council of Nicea, which assembled the Bible, it has remained relatively stable. Sure there are variances, translation issues, the Apocrapha....but relatively stable. Outside of the dead sea scroll, we have little documentation from when people accepted a different text. Compare the to the Koran where there is tons of evidence that the current text is not the same, inscriptions on coins, on monuments, on tombs, on armor and swords that seem to be Koran-ish, annotated, mentioning Mohhamed and so forth, but are not contained within the Koran

An Omnipowerful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren't going to live up to his standards.

And you should feel guilty for this. Give me money.

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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #135 on: December 27, 2011, 03:38:10 PM »
the water never mixes...the fresh water might cover the sea water ...IT DOES NOT MIX...ENGLISH...AND I LIVE IN AFRICA

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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #136 on: December 27, 2011, 03:40:54 PM »
SMM, these supposed "scientific relevations" are a lot less impressive when they turn out to be utterly false.
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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #137 on: December 27, 2011, 03:45:42 PM »
the water never mixes...the fresh water might cover the sea water ...IT DOES NOT MIX...ENGLISH...AND I LIVE IN AFRICA

You are willfully ignorant.  And who cares if you live in Africa?   It might be hard to realize but your fellow Muslims have lied to you and you are too lazy to actually find out about things for yourself.  You cling to your ignorance in desperation. 

Water mixes and anyone who has been to the shore knows that.  Rivers of fresh water flow into the oceans and they do not remain fresh indefinitely.  One can get fresh water from the Amazon almost 250 miles from its mouth.  But that's it.   They mix and your magic book fails again. 

It is density not surface tension that makes them do this, so your ignorant fellows can't even get that much right in their pitiful attempts to show how great the qu'ran is.  It's always so pitiful to watch the supposedly faithful try to find anything that helps them retain their weak faith and get things wrong in the process.  It seems that Allah doesn't help his believers at all but allows them to look ridiculous.   

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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #138 on: December 27, 2011, 03:52:32 PM »
Of course this is easy to test shia muslim monotheist,

Find yourself a tall bucket and mix the bottom half of the water with salt to a strong salt concentration. Then after that is settled and quiet, pour very very very gently half a bucket full of clean water. Then let it set for a day. come back the next day and take a drink and let us know if even the very tip top of the water remains unsalty.  Inquiring Minds want to know..
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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #139 on: December 27, 2011, 03:53:36 PM »
 the water never mixes .. you need to do proper research on this  ive done mine....u guys really are not getting the point and my english is better than yours ... and i live in africa

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« Reply #140 on: December 27, 2011, 03:54:58 PM »
i m not sure about which water remains on top, i was only giving an example

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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #141 on: December 27, 2011, 04:00:31 PM »
the water never mixes .. you need to do proper research on this  ive done mine

For Pete's sake...

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Brackish water is water that has more salinity than fresh water, but not as much as seawater.  It may result from mixing of seawater with fresh water, as in estuaries, or it may occur in brackish fossil aquifers.
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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #142 on: December 27, 2011, 04:11:18 PM »
There are places in the sea where there is a layer of water high in salt below a layer of water which is low in salt, and there can seem to be a pretty distinct boundary between them. However, if you stopped the currents from flowing, the two bodies would readily mix.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_the_fresh_water_not_mix_with_the_salt_water

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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #143 on: December 27, 2011, 04:13:20 PM »
take the metaforical meaning...use logic.we are the best creation...THINK!!!
Have you abandoned your Big Bang example, by the way?

And why did you mention Lot and his daughters?

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u guys really are not getting the point
You don't explain yourself very well.


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and my english is better than yours
Wrong again.
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Re: Why GOD does not heal amputees? Maybe because...
« Reply #144 on: December 27, 2011, 04:15:24 PM »
the quran taLKS ABOUT THE THE SEA,because it is a very deep book and we have to do tafseer /interpret it we muslims can try... the true meaning is only known by the ahlulbayt/infallibles so, if the water were to be brought to the sea it woukld equal to NO MIX... the quran might be talking ABOUT THAT