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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #812 on: January 26, 2011, 09:33:15 AM »
them atheists are some of the funniest people I know.... ;D

I always wonder if Christians like BS and so many of our regulars think that we simply forget that they've been here before and have done the same things?  Do they pray and pray hoping that God will wipe our memories?  Do they think God has mindfucked us and now we'll all hop on the hosanna bandwagon?  What could possibly be their motive for returning?  It's like watching the idiots on Faux Noise when they get caught saying something they insist they've never said. it seems to come down to being amazingly stupid or intentionally deceitful, that last being a big no-no for "good Christians". 

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #813 on: January 26, 2011, 09:44:03 AM »
Well, THEY willfully flush new information from their minds, so I imagine they assume everyone else does the same thing.

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #814 on: January 26, 2011, 10:32:04 AM »
them atheists are some of the funniest people I know.... ;D

That's why I keep coming back here, v. That was hilarious. Thanks for the lols, Dr. X and Gnu.

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #815 on: January 26, 2011, 11:14:12 AM »
"No man with any sense of humor ever founded a religion."
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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #816 on: January 27, 2011, 10:46:11 AM »
"No man with any sense of humor ever founded a religion."
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Except for L. Ron Hubbard. Scientology? Really?  :o
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #817 on: January 27, 2011, 11:20:30 AM »
"No man with any sense of humor ever founded a religion."
~ Bob Ingersoll

Except for L. Ron Hubbard. Scientology? Really?  :o

I don't know if this is hearsay or factual but I heard once that he was trying to think of a way to get one of his fiction books into the non-fiction section like some other fictitious works (in addition to bringing in $$). Accordingly Dianetics and Scientology is the result of said process.

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #818 on: January 27, 2011, 11:57:26 AM »
JT812, I see you popped into the forum today.  Hope you can answer some of the outstanding questions. 
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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #819 on: January 27, 2011, 12:18:52 PM »
JT812, I see you popped into the forum today.  Hope you can answer some of the outstanding questions.

He's popped in fairly consistently over the last week. However no answers have been forthcoming from him.
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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #820 on: January 27, 2011, 09:10:55 PM »
I don't know if this is hearsay or factual but I heard once that he was trying to think of a way to get one of his fiction books into the non-fiction section like some other fictitious works (in addition to bringing in $$). Accordingly Dianetics and Scientology is the result of said process.

He repeatedly made the claim that he needed to start his own religion to make money.  He stealing from others and pathological lying since a boy is documented in Russell Miller's Bare-Faced Messiah: available to read online.

Then there is:

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #821 on: January 28, 2011, 08:54:16 AM »
^^ that was really good.  And you can see that happening, just as described.
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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #822 on: January 28, 2011, 09:05:37 AM »
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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #823 on: January 28, 2011, 09:23:10 AM »
Dianetics?  Oh I tried, really I did.   :o  I remember in Larry Niven's Inferno, Hubbard was in the City of Dis for creating his own religion. 
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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #824 on: January 28, 2011, 09:44:10 AM »

I would think that with all of "tens of thousands of documented samples and proven striations........." (post #602) that you would have at least come up with something convincing by now. Still, you have failed to demonstrate that there is proof (by your own definition) for any of the events in the timeline you presented.

Instead, you continue to try and defend your position by turning the conversation in a completely different direction towards the failing of Christianity.....when I've never even ONCE implied that it was without faults.
Can you comment on my post @ #690, please? To remind you, this is is:

I think the point here is that it makes news when one scientist falsifies something. It is not news after 2000 years of godbotherers spouting fairy tales lies and deception.

The next point is that none of your links refer to evidence for evolution being falsified.

The next point is that other scientists point out the fraud - since when has your pastor pointed out the utter bullshit that the neighboring pastor is saying? Never.

Please answer the question that I asked above:
I have already said that a complete description of the way artefacts and rock layers have their age calculated is extremely complex and time consuming. It also contains concepts that I think you would reject because you can't grasp them. I would hesitate to use, "pearls before swine" but, unless you know something already about how objects are dated, it will be wasted on you.

So, let's start on the path to finding out what you know already - how do you think scientists date prehistoric objects? And what fault do you find in the method?

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #825 on: January 28, 2011, 09:56:14 AM »
almost forgot that I wanted to mention varves when it comes to BS's usual Christian bs about dating and the age of the earth.  Here's a nice simple explanation: 
 http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/varves.html

and one from one of our past (and current?) member: http://aigbusted.blogspot.com/2007/12/rocks-of-age-how-varves-show-earth-old.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD241.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD011_1.html

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #826 on: February 01, 2011, 05:11:53 PM »

Yes, I know. It took us thirteen pages to pin him down. But we did it.

Really ? You did ?  :o

So why does a Biblestudent bother?

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #827 on: February 01, 2011, 05:15:25 PM »
You got nailed harder than Paris Hilton on Ecstasy, son.

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #828 on: February 01, 2011, 10:54:26 PM »
You got nailed harder than Paris Hilton on Ecstasy, son.

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I was thinking it was more like Jesus...

Nailed, that is. Not the other part.
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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #829 on: February 01, 2011, 11:12:49 PM »
You got nailed harder than Paris Hilton on Ecstasy, son.

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That was an image I did not need in my brain. Yech. :P
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #830 on: February 02, 2011, 04:59:52 AM »
You got nailed harder than Paris Hilton on Ecstasy, son.

That was an image I did not need in my brain. Yech. :P

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #831 on: February 02, 2011, 12:23:59 PM »
So why does a Biblestudent bother?

http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com/god-devoted.htm

I think the question is: why do you bother after you've been demonstrated as wrong in so many ways?  That fascinates me too, why after being shown facts, do Christians persist?  Especially when they leave for months after being shown their fallibility and then return with the same baseless claims?  Do you think we'll have forgotten you and those claims, suddenly not asking you for evidence?  It seems so, but why you think this, I have no idea. 
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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #832 on: February 02, 2011, 12:40:50 PM »
So why does a Biblestudent bother?

http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com/god-devoted.htm

I think the question is: why do you bother after you've been demonstrated as wrong in so many ways?  That fascinates me too, why after being shown facts, do Christians persist?  Especially when they leave for months after being shown their fallibility and then return with the same baseless claims?  Do you think we'll have forgotten you and those claims, suddenly not asking you for evidence?  It seems so, but why you think this, I have no idea.

Because they have 'faith,' they pray and when the Holy Spook tells them it's ok to come back, and they fooly expect YHWH to protect him. Just like they think they can say anything then YHWH will alter all of history to match what they said, like a coworker once saying that until the catholic church started up, no one practiced religion anywhere without being martyred like the early christians.

I was going to fix fooly but I realized it made my point. I give my fingers the credit. They're punnier than I am.

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #833 on: February 02, 2011, 04:08:36 PM »
MeinKampfStudent:
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Yes, I know. It took us thirteen pages to pin him down. But we did it.
Really ?
Yes.
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You did ?
Yes.

We established after many pages of you wriggling and squirming that given the choice between informing on Jews to the Nazis or telling a lie, you would inform on the Jews - and you would regard such behaviour as neither criminal nor sinful.

Thus demonstrating the problem with your objective inflexible Christian morality, which logically led to you (hypothetically) collaborating with obvious evil.

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #834 on: February 02, 2011, 10:40:28 PM »
MeinKampfStudent:
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Yes, I know. It took us thirteen pages to pin him down. But we did it.
Really ?
Yes.
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You did ?
Yes.

We established after many pages of you wriggling and squirming that given the choice between informing on Jews to the Nazis or telling a lie, you would inform on the Jews - and you would regard such behaviour as neither criminal nor sinful.

Thus demonstrating the problem with your objective inflexible Christian morality, which logically led to you (hypothetically) collaborating with obvious evil.

Well I finally got a christian to admit that the god of 'Islam' is Satan. I still need to work on, that Muslims worship the 'God of Abraham' too and that 'God of Abraham' is Satan. Kinda round-a-bout for 'It is only from the mind of a psycopathic pedophile, not a 'god,' I know but I think by informing them of that right away will only result in them ignoring me.

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #835 on: February 03, 2011, 08:33:18 PM »
BibleStudent,

First, I apologize for addressing you as MeinKampfStudent; such rhetoric is not conducive to mutual understanding, and I regret the cheap shot.

However, I'd still like you address my basic point:

We established after many pages of you wriggling and squirming that given the choice between informing on Jews to the Nazis or telling a lie, you would inform on the Jews - and you would regard such behaviour as neither criminal nor sinful.

Thus demonstrating the problem with your objective inflexible Christian morality, which logically led to you (hypothetically) collaborating with obvious evil.


Your thoughts, please?
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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #836 on: February 06, 2011, 07:42:07 PM »
^^^^^Arms crossed, foot tapping impatiently. &)
(How about an emoticon, Dr. X?)
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #837 on: February 06, 2011, 07:51:26 PM »


Though I like this one better:

On why Christians and non-Christians have the same rate of divorce:

He would rather it that they worship Him, instead of spending their time on family.

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #838 on: February 07, 2011, 11:48:19 AM »
^^^^^Arms crossed, foot tapping impatiently. &)
(How about an emoticon, Dr. X?)

The one :Larissa offers is good, the original from MillanNet is .

We also have ; ; and

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Re: I'm a Christian Open to Questions
« Reply #839 on: February 07, 2011, 07:40:00 PM »


I'm quite fond of this one.
On why Christians and non-Christians have the same rate of divorce:

He would rather it that they worship Him, instead of spending their time on family.