I'm a Christian Open to Questions

[velkyn]

them atheists are some of the funniest people I know....

I always wonder if Christians like BS and so many of our regulars think that we simply forget that they've been here before and have done the same things?  Do they pray and pray hoping that God will wipe our memories?  Do they think God has mindfucked us and now we'll all hop on the hosanna bandwagon?  What could possibly be their motive for returning?  It's like watching the idiots on Faux Noise when they get caught saying something they insist they've never said. it seems to come down to being amazingly stupid or intentionally deceitful, that last being a big no-no for "good Christians". 

[Doctor X]

Well, THEY willfully flush new information from their minds, so I imagine they assume everyone else does the same thing.

--J.D.

[Agamemnon]

them atheists are some of the funniest people I know....

That's why I keep coming back here, v. That was hilarious. Thanks for the lols, Dr. X and Gnu.

Strange that most of the Christians we get here have zero sense of humor.

[screwtape]

"No man with any sense of humor ever founded a religion."
~ Bob Ingersoll

[nogodsforme]

"No man with any sense of humor ever founded a religion."
~ Bob Ingersoll

Except for L. Ron Hubbard. Scientology? Really? 

[Ivellios]

"No man with any sense of humor ever founded a religion."
~ Bob Ingersoll

Except for L. Ron Hubbard. Scientology? Really? 

I don't know if this is hearsay or factual but I heard once that he was trying to think of a way to get one of his fiction books into the non-fiction section like some other fictitious works (in addition to bringing in $$). Accordingly Dianetics and Scientology is the result of said process.

[velkyn]

JT812, I see you popped into the forum today.  Hope you can answer some of the outstanding questions. 

[Alzael]

JT812, I see you popped into the forum today.  Hope you can answer some of the outstanding questions.

He's popped in fairly consistently over the last week. However no answers have been forthcoming from him.

[Doctor X]

I don't know if this is hearsay or factual but I heard once that he was trying to think of a way to get one of his fiction books into the non-fiction section like some other fictitious works (in addition to bringing in $$). Accordingly Dianetics and Scientology is the result of said process.

He repeatedly made the claim that he needed to start his own religion to make money.  He stealing from others and pathological lying since a boy is documented in Russell Miller's Bare-Faced Messiah: available to read online.

Then there is:

--J.D.

[velkyn]

^^ that was really good.  And you can see that happening, just as described.

[Doctor X]

If you find the time to read the book, it will really piss you off.

--J.D.

[velkyn]

Dianetics?  Oh I tried, really I did.     I remember in Larry Niven's Inferno, Hubbard was in the City of Dis for creating his own religion. 

[Graybeard]

I would think that with all of "tens of thousands of documented samples and proven striations........." (post #602) that you would have at least come up with something convincing by now. Still, you have failed to demonstrate that there is proof (by your own definition) for any of the events in the timeline you presented.

Instead, you continue to try and defend your position by turning the conversation in a completely different direction towards the failing of Christianity.....when I've never even ONCE implied that it was without faults.

Can you comment on my post @ #690, please? To remind you, this is is:

I think the point here is that it makes news when one scientist falsifies something. It is not news after 2000 years of godbotherers spouting fairy tales lies and deception.

The next point is that none of your links refer to evidence for evolution being falsified.

The next point is that other scientists point out the fraud - since when has your pastor pointed out the utter bullshit that the neighboring pastor is saying? Never.

Please answer the question that I asked above:
I have already said that a complete description of the way artefacts and rock layers have their age calculated is extremely complex and time consuming. It also contains concepts that I think you would reject because you can't grasp them. I would hesitate to use, "pearls before swine" but, unless you know something already about how objects are dated, it will be wasted on you.

So, let's start on the path to finding out what you know already - how do you think scientists date prehistoric objects? And what fault do you find in the method?

Oh, and re-read my signatures.

[velkyn]

almost forgot that I wanted to mention varves when it comes to BS's usual Christian bs about dating and the age of the earth.  Here's a nice simple explanation: 
 http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/varves.html

and one from one of our past (and current?) member: http://aigbusted.blogspot.com/2007/12/rocks-of-age-how-varves-show-earth-old.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD241.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD011_1.html

[BibleStudent]

Yes, I know. It took us thirteen pages to pin him down. But we did it.

Really ? You did ? 

So why does a Biblestudent bother?

http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com/god-devoted.htm

[Doctor X]

You got nailed harder than Paris Hilton on Ecstasy, son.

--J.D.

[ParkingPlaces]

You got nailed harder than Paris Hilton on Ecstasy, son.

--J.D.

I was thinking it was more like Jesus...

Nailed, that is. Not the other part.

[nogodsforme]

You got nailed harder than Paris Hilton on Ecstasy, son.

--J.D.

That was an image I did not need in my brain. Yech.

[Doctor X]

You got nailed harder than Paris Hilton on Ecstasy, son.

That was an image I did not need in my brain. Yech.

Noblesse oblige. . . .

. . . what, ParkingPlaces, she has been hung on wood. . . .

--J. "Where are We?  This Place is Stupid!" D.

[velkyn]

So why does a Biblestudent bother?

http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com/god-devoted.htm

I think the question is: why do you bother after you've been demonstrated as wrong in so many ways?  That fascinates me too, why after being shown facts, do Christians persist?  Especially when they leave for months after being shown their fallibility and then return with the same baseless claims?  Do you think we'll have forgotten you and those claims, suddenly not asking you for evidence?  It seems so, but why you think this, I have no idea. 

[Ivellios]

So why does a Biblestudent bother?

http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com/god-devoted.htm

I think the question is: why do you bother after you've been demonstrated as wrong in so many ways?  That fascinates me too, why after being shown facts, do Christians persist?  Especially when they leave for months after being shown their fallibility and then return with the same baseless claims?  Do you think we'll have forgotten you and those claims, suddenly not asking you for evidence?  It seems so, but why you think this, I have no idea.

Because they have 'faith,' they pray and when the Holy Spook tells them it's ok to come back, and they fooly expect YHWH to protect him. Just like they think they can say anything then YHWH will alter all of history to match what they said, like a coworker once saying that until the catholic church started up, no one practiced religion anywhere without being martyred like the early christians.

I was going to fix fooly but I realized it made my point. I give my fingers the credit. They're punnier than I am.

[Gnu Ordure]

MeinKampfStudent:

Yes, I know. It took us thirteen pages to pin him down. But we did it.

Really ?

Yes.

You did ?

Yes.

We established after many pages of you wriggling and squirming that given the choice between informing on Jews to the Nazis or telling a lie, you would inform on the Jews - and you would regard such behaviour as neither criminal nor sinful.

Thus demonstrating the problem with your objective inflexible Christian morality, which logically led to you (hypothetically) collaborating with obvious evil.

[Ivellios]

MeinKampfStudent:

Yes, I know. It took us thirteen pages to pin him down. But we did it.

Really ?

Yes.

You did ?

Yes.

We established after many pages of you wriggling and squirming that given the choice between informing on Jews to the Nazis or telling a lie, you would inform on the Jews - and you would regard such behaviour as neither criminal nor sinful.

Thus demonstrating the problem with your objective inflexible Christian morality, which logically led to you (hypothetically) collaborating with obvious evil.

Well I finally got a christian to admit that the god of 'Islam' is Satan. I still need to work on, that Muslims worship the 'God of Abraham' too and that 'God of Abraham' is Satan. Kinda round-a-bout for 'It is only from the mind of a psycopathic pedophile, not a 'god,' I know but I think by informing them of that right away will only result in them ignoring me.

[Gnu Ordure]

BibleStudent,

First, I apologize for addressing you as MeinKampfStudent; such rhetoric is not conducive to mutual understanding, and I regret the cheap shot.

However, I'd still like you address my basic point:

We established after many pages of you wriggling and squirming that given the choice between informing on Jews to the Nazis or telling a lie, you would inform on the Jews - and you would regard such behaviour as neither criminal nor sinful.

Thus demonstrating the problem with your objective inflexible Christian morality, which logically led to you (hypothetically) collaborating with obvious evil.

Your thoughts, please?

[nogodsforme]

^^^^^Arms crossed, foot tapping impatiently.
(How about an emoticon, Dr. X?)

[Larissa238]

Though I like this one better:

[Doctor X]

^^^^^Arms crossed, foot tapping impatiently.
(How about an emoticon, Dr. X?)

The one :Larissa offers is good, the original from MillanNet is .

We also have ; ; and

--J.D.

[Larissa238]

I'm quite fond of this one.