Having had spittle fly all over my face by a christian telling me I was going to hell because I am an atheist, I tend appreciate being able to find a place I can mingle with my own.
What's the ratio of theists here to atheists? 10 to 1? 15 to 1? While the spittle factor isn't here on forums, a majority against a minority they're different from, does have noticeable friction, especially to the minority.
A theist on an atheist board for example, or an atheist showing up on a theist board, a barbecue champion on a vegan board, a dog being brought to a cat show, the list goes on....
Yea, I should have punched her out, but she looked like you from the back, and besides, she was 70.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I would have fucking hit her anyway. (just kidding mods - cut this part out if you want) ^_^
I hope you're not surprised that there are places on the web where atheists congregate. There are congregations of flat earthers, bigfoot lovers, perverts, trekkies and recovering WWF addicts. And for you to think that a bunch of like-minded folk who don't believe in god would treat all religious comers as yet another breathe of fresh air would be naive. Many in the mailbag (oh how we missed it when it was gone) show up fully expecting that their 1.5 paragraph post will convert the lot of us on the spot. And many get pissed quick when that doesn't happen.
I'm certainly not surprised. Honestly, my introduction to this site has to do with some videos I watched that were embedded on another forum. I didn't know it was proclaimed atheist material from looking at it - I just thought it was someone who had a problem with Christianity. (which I can relate to, even a lot of Christians have a problem with Christianity.)
I wrote my e-mail basically giving my answer to the name of the site. (I mean, it was in question format on the video)
I read that the e-mail could be posted on the forums, but I assumed they probably wouldn't bother with it.
What doesn't make sense to me is the mailbag has debate rules, but I'd say a good portion of original posts don't follow them. (like making a claim, they should be backed up.) Why should they? They've contributed to the forum without even stepping foot on it. I'm sure e-mails are weeded out to a certain extent, but if I would have known I was required to have a foundation for my claims, I would have either made a more air-tight post, or not even bothered with it.
We have learned to expect a huge range of possible personality types when new christians show up. And yes, we have some members who are more combative than others. So while some of us might be demonstrably polite, others sometimes attack with their verbal baseball bats. We atheists seldom strike the first blow, but we're pretty good on ganging up on folks who do their best to diss us.
I'd like to consider myself polite until provoked. Easily provoked perhaps, and I'm not going to minimize that. As mentioned before, if it's not the tone of the posts, it's the hypocrisy in comparison to real life.
Perhaps if it were face to face, politeness would be easier to maintain, because of external factors.
Point being, I can not only get along with atheists, but get along with them here. I see no problem with you, or the mods saving you guys from me, and a few others like Rev45 and PianoDrawf were extremely pleasant to talk to.
It's just the ones I butt heads with that make headlines.
Other christians show up and demonstrate both intelligence and understanding. Enough so that we have relatively sane conversations for awhile. Most disappear fairly quickly, for reasons not always clear. I tend to assume that when they realize they probably won't convert anyone, they go elsewhere.
Maybe it's lack of common interest? I'm just throwing out my guess.
I mean what does a barbecue champion at a vegan forum really want there? He knows he's in the wrong locale, if not when he shows up, he knows it after a few posts at least. Not only interest, but overall disadvantages.
I'm a theist, outnumbered by atheists. There's that disadvantage.
I don't have much refining in apologetics. There's another disadvantage. Probably because most of the people around me believe the same or similar, or that I could lift the front end of their car, I've never really felt the need to have claims/evidence for my faith.
I know I've had some outlandish behavior here, but from what I've observed, there is some small amount (I probably am minimizing) bias from the authorities here. I've been reprimanded for something other members have done right back to me, while they weren't even (publicly) notified (to my knowledge).
...I'll take full responsibility for the first two disadvantages though... and mods aren't perfect. Certainly no hard feelings about that, and I don't take the job someone tries to do personally.
As a bunch of independent thinkers, I think we are fairly moderate in our behavior. As has been mentioned before, most christian websites won't tolerate atheists at all and ban them the moment they are identified. We ban only the grossest of our believers, who do nothing but preach and yell. We are not governed by anyone and I have no idea who the moderators are, other than I assume many of them are old-timers on the site. I, for one, show up, have some fun, and return when I have the time. This last few weeks I've had lots of time and it's cold outside, so here I sit.
Me and Death over Life are friends on another forum, a Christian based one. While it's actually a specific hobby/entertainment forum for Christians, there is the theology section. We both mentioned it to the mods and community there. Someone here posted they wanted to check that forum out. A couple people there there thought it would be a bad idea.
This forum's cool - you wouldn't be banned for being a non-believer, but I have yet to see an atheist that wasn't at least borderline aggressive with their "points" and "claims".
...and that wouldn't last long there, or anywhere except forums with similar correlations actually. Who else really wants to argue about that?
That we've irked you and you've stuck around either means we're lousy irkers or you're a glutton for punishment. I've no idea which. And since you have never responded directly to any of my posts, I assume you won't respond to this one. But being ignored won't shut me up.
Yay! Your reverse psychology worked!
I think its a little bit of both - of the lousy irkers and me being a glutton for punishment. I think some of you have NO IDEA how to handle people like me, and as much as it irritates me, it also amuses me. I'm hoping its at least a little bit mutual in that feeling.
Unless some of you stand to post here, I hope this doesn't cause you soil your seats.... for my job, I'm actually a CIT. (Counselor in training) I'm not certified yet, as that takes a few years, but I'm on my way. I've been an "adviser" for years though.
I actually veered more toward the confrontations a bit, because there's more of an outlet for me. The only way this could be better was if I had a punching bag in front of me. After all, I can't, don't and won't directly or indirectly insult clients. (I'll lump passive aggressive head games in there as well, as they can be every bit as damaging as insults)
My boss thinks I'm wasting my time here with "those people", but eh. If I found it pointless to be here, I wouldn't be here.
It's not the no-god part that has us spend time here. It is the effect of people who think otherwise on our lives and our world that we are here to discuss. The no-god thing is a hobby. The "I hate your guts because you don't look at my god with awe and reverence" crowd is who we are more concerned with.
Oops, forgot who I was talking to. Let me rephrase that.
It's not the no-god part that has ME spend time here. It is the effect of people who think otherwise in MY life and MY world that I am here to discuss. The no-god thing is a hobby. The "I hate your guts because you don't look at my god with awe and reverence" crowd is who I am more concerned with.
edit: Fixed spelling problem. My computer is so stupid.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!! Damn right it's "you" not "us"! I've been stating some of my escapades here on the other forums. I actually didn't notice all the "we" and "us" statements until someone pointed it out to me, and handed me a list of how many "group statements" are made.
I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, to "sound like a damn hive". (as that person put it) It doesn't give the "independent thinkers" statement you made much weight though.
Side note, what does "bm" mean?