Hello. I'm the actual author to the letter. Nice to meet you all.Why?
What would happen if I did not have faith? ....I gotta say. That's the best question asked from what I've seen thus far.
I would have a different outlook on life if I didn't have faith. Having been without it before, I got to say I prefer this concept in my life.
Because the prospect of eternal life, a divine entity that loves each individual person, and the other rewards of spirituality in general... that's insentive enough.
There's no doubt that people here doubt that.... do you think its possible that people have seen glimpses of this? (without being considered downright delusional)
A simple yes or no will suffice.
To many of those who already believe, it would be undeniable proof. That proof would essentially destroy their faith.
On a separate note, in regards to this little bit of nonsense. How would this destroy their faith? Again, the god mentioned in the bible undeniably exists within the contents of the narrative. He makes his presence obvious through his actions. The entire point of the plagues in egypt was to show the egyptians how awesome he was. He turned rivers to blood and killed the firstborn children of an entire nation to demonstrate the size of his 'godhood'. It didn't stop his followers from having faith in him. They still believed, they still had faith in their god even though they supposedly had undeniable evidence of his existence.
Christians constantly claim to have evidence to back up their faith. That's the entire purpose of apologetics, not to mention hundreds of books put out in the last decade or so aimed towards showing evidence that the bible is real. The evidence is all bullshit, of course, but they think that it's real. Again, at no point in the bible does it use faith in the sense of believing without evidence, because in the bible they have enormous amounts of evidence to show he exists. Evidence which is completely lacking in reality. Faith in the bible is about trusting gods word and that god is always correct and knows what is best. It is about believing in gods sovereignty.
Once again, I don't really know why God wants faith..... but I have faith that He does.
So you don't know anything. Including what god means by faith. Or apparently what's written in the bible. You just have faith that you know something, which by your definition of faith means that you don't know anything and know that you don't know anything. Yet somehow still think that you know something.......
I think a piece of my brain just died.
It makes me giggle.... my original post has to do with faith (in God) and the concept of faith in general. You're going on a mostly random flail about the Christian bible which, other than what I've responded too from other people, haven't discussed and don't really intend on discussing. To me, it's like comparing apples and fire hydrants.
Perhaps a by-product of your partially dead brain you mentioned?
I'll be glad to discuss points with you when you decide to get just a little more on topic.
So far you have not done a good job of defending your assertions, which is what is expected here. There's a dearth of thoughtful theists willing to honestly engage nonbelievers in this forum, so I hope you prove to be one of them.
Maybe in the "testimony" post I'll elaborate a little more as to why I'm here.
I'm actually not interested in apologetics, and certainly don't consider myself a theist. I'm a layman by all means. I'm not too interested in knock down - drag out debates either.
I'm actually not here for your amusement. (ironically, my faith in God isn't for his amusement - anyone squirming yet?)
If anything, I'm here to be myself, maybe learn and laugh at a thing or two. ....and I'm curious.
Generally speaking, some of you guys are friendly enough.... to the newcomer. Those of you who make your points intelligently, I'll most likely learn from and follow around.
A few of you have much to fine tune on your approach to not come across as a troll, a heckler or full of butthurt at the prospect of someone who "hasn't seen the light" so to speak.
These I'll laugh at.... and then ignore when it turns to bullying and gets awkward.....
Most of us here are former theists. We used to believe, we used to have faith. Then we thought about it, and realized it made no sense whatsoever.
Generally, it's not going to go over well if you're going to try to tell us to "open our minds", because we DID open our minds. We opened our minds to the possibiliy that theism is wrong and that maybe atheism is correct. Once we did that and examined both sides of the issue, we found that atheism made far more sense.
Good points. I liked reading this right here.
First of all, I hope no one here is under the impression I'm here to convert the lot of you. You can believe what you want (and here's the real hum-dinger) I won't call you stupid or minimize your own beliefs and concepts (or lack of).
(For the sake of empathy, the same courtesy would be much appreciated on my behalf. Though true empathy could be had if one of you decided to tread in a spirituality forum.)
I was simply curious if you've actually tried being open-minded to spirituality before.
Looks like I got my answer.
A few questions from the newb....
Do you want everyone in the world to realize there is no God? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing not.... or a few of you would be much more appealing to me. (Since about anyone knows you can catch more flies with honey than manure so to speak.)
If not, I mean. What do you do here?
Debate each other?
No disrespect intended. I'm just curious.
Welcome to the fold, Hguols. Thanks for joining.
Seriously. How many people do you really know claim to know God exists? I don't know any personally. Stick around here for a while and you'll see a plenty. You'll also see plenty of christians who tell the atheists here that we know god exists, too, but that we're refusing to accept it so that we can live our lives full 'o' sin.
Hope you enjoy the forum.
Thanks for the welcome. I'm really enjoying..... some of this....
With regards to the whole ad populum "billions of people can't be wrong" argument. Billions once believed the earth was flat. Billions once believed the sun revolved around the earth. Billions once believed in pantheism (just with different subsets of gods). And the day will come when people will say "billions once believed in an invisible overlord in the sky".
And most of us here were brought up xtian. It wasn't some bad experience or trouble that caused us to abandon these myths, it was simply applying common sense and reason.
And please let me know how you think the first commandment fits in with your theory. If such a god figure wanted to stay hidden from his creation and let them find him through "faith", why would he carve it directly in to stone as a commandment that he was their one and only god. Doesnt sound to me like he wanted to stay hidden.
This is an excellent post too. Thank you.
Once again, I'm confused as to why Biblical "evidence" is being used as the "see this isn't true" when it comes to God. I'm assuming you're assuming that because I'm a spiritual person, that I believe every word in the Bible?
Work with me a little please. How about we don’t assume this, mmmmmm?
I'm willing to accept that while God wanted to be seen in the past, He doesn't want to be seen now. I have no doctrine to base that on.... that's my own personal faith based conclusion.
If someone here doesn't want to believe the same thing, fine. If anyone wants to insult my intelligence or level of sanity over it.... why?
As for the billions of people wrong, I see that point as well. Basically, those things were proven to be different than they were. ....and based on the "one day" delivery of the existence of God proven false.... I'm guessing then you have no proof God doesn't exist.
Why don't you have this proof?