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Re: Peaceful Response to the Question asked Why Won't God Heal Amputees
« Reply #145 on: July 08, 2011, 01:29:36 PM »
Hey jdcpe17, personal experience is a factor eh?

Is this yours? http://medskobook.onlinewebshop.net/

Yea actually i remember it now. its been a long time.  probably not the best thing ive done with my time. probably not the worst thing ive done with my time either.

Ok. So you acted in, produced, and sold pornography online. Clears up the personal experience stuff for me. Thanks.

and using my past mistakes as your reason to not believe in God makes sense.
I see it as my job to let you know that I may need psychological help.

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« Reply #146 on: July 08, 2011, 01:41:16 PM »
and using my past mistakes as your reason to not believe in God makes sense.

I must've missed the part where Ambassador Pony said that.
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« Reply #147 on: July 08, 2011, 01:54:05 PM »
and using my past mistakes as your reason to not believe in God makes sense.

Oh, I forgot I said that. Can you quote where I claimed that please? Thanks.
You believe evolution and there is no evidence for that. Where is the fossil record of a half man half ape. I've only ever heard about it in reading.

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Re: Peaceful Response to the Question asked Why Won't God Heal Amputees
« Reply #148 on: July 08, 2011, 03:21:39 PM »
if the phone was ringing and God X created a copied cell phone sim card and stuck it in his phone to pick up on my call to God Y, then... well... we are are talking about a pluarality of Gods. who knows, maybe that is the case.

Do we have any reason to dismiss a plurality of gods?  I mean, as long as we are going in for one god, what is keeping us from a whole metropolis of gods?  Afterall, most ancient cultures were polytheistic.  Even the hebrews. 

Did you know that?  yhwh was just part of a pantheon called Elohim.  Elohim is plural for "the lords".  Not coincidentally, that is also a name of a god in the bible. In most translations where you see "the Lord", the actual word there is Elohim.  Many uninformed people nowadays think that is just another name for yhwh, but it isn't.  It is a different god. 

Anyway, back to the Elohim.  the principle god of that pantheon was El.  yhwh was one of his sons.  Baal was one, and yhwh's wife was Ashtoreth or Ashera, I forget which.  The hebrews were "monolatrous".  That means they believed many gods existed, but only worshiped one.  Thus yhwh refers to "us" several times in genesis.  Thus the commandment "you shall have no other gods before me."  Even yhwh knew there were other gods.

But assuming the Bible is true, then there is only one God.

That is a big assumption to make.  But let's make the assumption the bible is true.  But which part of the bible?  The parts written before the babylonian exile indicate many gods.  the parts written during or after indicate only one god.  Both cannot be correct.  So which do we go with?

 
"allegedly" hahah... looking at your "[1]" ref point haha... ok sorry. i just thought that was funny.
a hem... um... so to answer your questions...

Yes, I am hilariously funny.  I know.  It is just one reason why I am constantly surrounded by hot chicks.

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My life is terrific.  You do not need my permission to pray for me.  But here is the thing: what is the difference between a prayer and a spell?


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Re: Peaceful Response to the Question asked Why Won't God Heal Amputees
« Reply #149 on: July 08, 2011, 04:15:37 PM »
Actually, miracles still happen. Ill tell you how to have your prayers answered at the bottom of my response.

Man's voice is cured on live audio  http://jeffleake.typepad.com/the_launchpad/2011/04/the-duane-miller-recording.html

That was someone I do not know.

Nor is it something unambiguous. Feigned or pschosomatic voice issues are quite commonplace.

You fail to understand why we ask for modern and unambiguous, objectively verified examples.




 Things have happened to me personally - none of which do I expect you to believe,

That is correct, we do not believe. We are not credulous. Simply provide us with evidence that cannot be faked, and we will believe. It is that simple.

An Omnipowerful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren't going to live up to his standards.

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Re: Peaceful Response to the Question asked Why Won't God Heal Amputees
« Reply #150 on: July 09, 2011, 09:56:11 AM »
But here is the thing: what is the difference between a prayer and a spell?

I know this one !

A prayer asks, a spell commands. Same result though.
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Re: Peaceful Response to the Question asked Why Won't God Heal Amputees
« Reply #151 on: July 10, 2011, 08:52:30 AM »
Thank you Tykster, but I was hoping jd would come to the conclusion on her own.
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Re: Peaceful Response to the Question asked Why Won't God Heal Amputees
« Reply #152 on: July 10, 2011, 09:53:04 PM »
What if God doesn't want to heal amputees?
Because it has got nothing to do with His plan such as salvation?
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Re: Peaceful Response to the Question asked Why Won't God Heal Amputees
« Reply #153 on: July 10, 2011, 09:55:45 PM »
What if God doesn't want to heal amputees?

Then he is not benevolent.

Because it has got nothing to do with His plan such as salvation?

Then he is a prick for not thinking about others' well being while moving towards whatever goal he might have.
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Re: Peaceful Response to the Question asked Why Won't God Heal Amputees
« Reply #154 on: July 10, 2011, 10:00:24 PM »
What if God doesn't want to heal amputees?
Because it has got nothing to do with His plan such as salvation?
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Re: Peaceful Response to the Question asked Why Won't God Heal Amputees
« Reply #155 on: July 10, 2011, 10:04:39 PM »
What if God doesn't want to heal amputees?
Because it has got nothing to do with His plan such as salvation?

Who are you, one of the many puny humans in this planet, to say what your god's plan is, assuming it exists?

Better question: Why are you so selfish? Why don't you like amputees? Did they wrong you?


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Re: Peaceful Response to the Question asked Why Won't God Heal Amputees
« Reply #156 on: July 10, 2011, 10:18:17 PM »
I am sorry I have totally nothing against amputees.
I was just saying according to my God saving people's soul is way more important that showing off His miracles.
My God showed so many miracles about 2000 years ago, but people still killed Him. But He resurrected in 3 days
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Re: Peaceful Response to the Question asked Why Won't God Heal Amputees
« Reply #157 on: July 10, 2011, 10:20:04 PM »
If you are interested I can tell you how to obtain eternal life in heaven.

Sorry, heaven's not worth the eternal life thing. Especially with a god such as yours.
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Re: Peaceful Response to the Question asked Why Won't God Heal Amputees
« Reply #158 on: July 10, 2011, 10:28:01 PM »
What if God doesn't want to heal amputees?
Because it has got nothing to do with His plan such as salvation?
Jews who accept God but NOT Jesus because he is a false messiah,what happens to them?
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« Reply #159 on: July 10, 2011, 10:31:09 PM »
If you are interested I can tell you how to obtain eternal life in heaven.

Sorry, heaven's not worth the eternal life thing. Especially with a god such as yours.
Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,(Hebrews 9 :27)
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« Reply #160 on: July 10, 2011, 10:32:54 PM »
Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,(Hebrews 9 :27)
You be the judge what this means

It means someone made some stuff up and now you believe it. Simple.
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« Reply #161 on: July 10, 2011, 10:33:45 PM »
What if God doesn't want to heal amputees?

Then he is not benevolent.

Because it has got nothing to do with His plan such as salvation?

Then he is a prick for not thinking about others' well being while moving towards whatever goal he might have.
He does care about you that's why He died for you for your sin so He can save you and give you eternal life in heaven
all you have to do is believe.  That's His goal
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« Reply #162 on: July 10, 2011, 10:35:44 PM »
Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,(Hebrews 9 :27)
You be the judge what this means

It means someone made some stuff up and now you believe it. Simple.
Very simple. It is your choice heaven or hell eternally.
and you do not have to believe me that is the beauty of it
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« Reply #163 on: July 10, 2011, 10:36:35 PM »
He does care about you that's why He died for you for your sin so He can save you and give you eternal life in heaven
all you have to do is believe.  That's His goal

Heard that one before. If your god wants me to worship him, and will send me to hell if I don't, by my definition he is not worthy of worship.
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« Reply #164 on: July 10, 2011, 10:38:39 PM »
Very simple. It is your choice heaven or hell eternally.
and you do not have to believe me that is the beauty of it

I choose hell, simply because of your previous post.
Your god amounts to little more than a bratty child who wants everyone to recognize how "special" he is.
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« Reply #165 on: July 10, 2011, 10:39:53 PM »
I was just saying according to my God saving people's soul is way more important that showing off His miracles.

When you say saving people's souls is way more important, you make it sound like God is some sort of business man, always looking at his watch and thinking 'work, work, work, it's all I ever do. I ain't got time to fix everything!'.  This is God we are talking about here.  He can do anything, be anywhere at any time, right?  Unless you see God as some sort of regular human being with time schedules to keep and playdates to make, then you're 'he's to busy to worry about amputees' excuse is really pretty lame.  And it doesn't answer the question. 

If God is willing to heal amputees, but unable, then he is not omnipotent.
If God is able to heal amputees, but unwilling, then he is malevolent.
If God is both able and willing to heal amputees, then why do we still have amputees? 
If God is both unable and unwilling to heal amputees, then why call him God? 

Epicurus with a twist. 

The other possibility is that God isn't real, and amputees don't get healed because there is no God to heal them. 

My God showed so many miracles about 2000 years ago, but people still killed Him. But He resurrected in 3 days

So you're saying he was less into saving souls back then and more into cool parlor tricks?  Or was he just a lot less busy back then?  Not as much stuff on his plate and all that? 

If you are interested I can tell you how to obtain eternal life in heaven.

When you say that to people and they roll their eyes, is the sheer sarcasm of the action lost on you? 

He does care about you that's why He died for you for your sin so He can save you and give you eternal life in heaven
all you have to do is believe.  That's His goal

If Gods goal is to have us believe in him so we can go to heaven, and seeing as he is omnipotent and omniscient, wouldn't God know exactly what I would need to see in order to believe in Him?  And since he is not doing that, wouldn't that make your statement here completely void of logic? 
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Re: Peaceful Response to the Question asked Why Won't God Heal Amputees
« Reply #166 on: July 10, 2011, 10:48:05 PM »
I was just saying according to my God saving people's soul is way more important that showing off His miracles.

When you say saving people's souls is way more important, you make it sound like God is some sort of business man, always looking at his watch and thinking 'work, work, work, it's all I ever do. I ain't got time to fix everything!'.  This is God we are talking about here.  He can do anything, be anywhere at any time, right?  Unless you see God as some sort of regular human being with time schedules to keep and playdates to make, then you're 'he's to busy to worry about amputees' excuse is really pretty lame.  And it doesn't answer the question. 

If God is willing to heal amputees, but unable, then he is not omnipotent.
If God is able to heal amputees, but unwilling, then he is malevolent.
If God is both able and willing to heal amputees, then why do we still have amputees? 
If God is both unable and unwilling to heal amputees, then why call him God? 

Epicurus with a twist. 

The other possibility is that God isn't real, and amputees don't get healed because there is no God to heal them. 

My God showed so many miracles about 2000 years ago, but people still killed Him. But He resurrected in 3 days

So you're saying he was less into saving souls back then and more into cool parlor tricks?  Or was he just a lot less busy back then?  Not as much stuff on his plate and all that? 

If you are interested I can tell you how to obtain eternal life in heaven.

When you say that to people and they roll their eyes, is the sheer sarcasm of the action lost on you? 

He does care about you that's why He died for you for your sin so He can save you and give you eternal life in heaven
all you have to do is believe.  That's His goal

If Gods goal is to have us believe in him so we can go to heaven, and seeing as he is omnipotent and omniscient, wouldn't God know exactly what I would need to see in order to believe in Him?  And since he is not doing that, wouldn't that make your statement here completely void of logic? 
First off do you believe the words in bible? if so I will explain if not I have nothing to say to impress you because no matter what I say I know you won't believe
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« Reply #167 on: July 10, 2011, 10:49:10 PM »
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« Reply #168 on: July 10, 2011, 10:50:48 PM »
First off do you believe the words in bible? if so I will explain if not I have nothing to say to impress you because no matter what I say I know you won't believe

That is meaningless. The logical argument posted takes into account the texts of the Bible. If you believe in the Bible as being 100% true then there's only four logical choices for what your god is like:

Evil
Not omnipotent
Not a god
Non-existent

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« Reply #169 on: July 10, 2011, 10:53:48 PM »
He does care about you that's why He died for you for your sin so He can save you and give you eternal life in heaven
all you have to do is believe.  That's His goal

Heard that one before. If your god wants me to worship him, and will send me to hell if I don't, by my definition he is not worthy of worship.
Even if He died for you?
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« Reply #170 on: July 10, 2011, 10:56:00 PM »
Even if He died for you?

Especially if that's true. If that's true, he came here specifically to die so that more people would worship him, after being "freed from sin" or whatever.
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« Reply #171 on: July 10, 2011, 11:13:10 PM »
First off do you believe the words in bible? if so I will explain if not I have nothing to say to impress you because no matter what I say I know you won't believe

No. I don't believe the words in the bible.  But your statement about not being able to impress upon me is completely untrue and I will explain why. If everything you say is true, then you should be able to find some way, somehow, to prove what you say is true externally from the bible, right?  If you can, then I am completely open to that.  I may not believe the bible, but that doesn't mean I can't judge claims to be true or false by means of comparing and contrasting your claims with the world that presents itself.  I believe lots of things are true and lots of things are false, so contrary to what you may think, I am able to be convinced of things.  Give me what you have that is evidence from outside a single book, and I will hear it. 

I mean, just to be fair, if you saw a book that I wrote claiming something like....  the sky is blue because the leprechauns colored it that way...  Would you instantly believe that claim without me being able to provide you with some sort of external evidence for it?  Probably not, right?  Is it wrong to suggest that I should be able to back up those claims with real world evidence before accepting it just because I say you should?   

What YOU are saying, however, is for me to do exactly that.  You just want me to listen to what the bible says as if it was true and forget about how nonsensical the whole thing is... just believe it.  Well, imagine I, the author of the blue sky leprechaun book said that to you, what would you say to me?  You'd probably laugh your ass off (much like I tend to do with people say stuff like you just said to me), and I wouldn't blame you.   

Where does that go wrong for you?  I'm trying very hard not to be a dick here, but you're not making it easy.   
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Re: Peaceful Response to the Question asked Why Won't God Heal Amputees
« Reply #172 on: July 10, 2011, 11:23:42 PM »
What if God doesn't want to heal amputees?
Because it has got nothing to do with His plan such as salvation?
Jews who accept God but NOT Jesus because he is a false messiah,what happens to them?
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So the Jew who does not believe in Jesus(he reached only a small number of people) are doomed? not to mention he left people who NEVER even met him write about him,getting facts wrong and contradicting each other.  Then there are the facts that no real historian ever heard of this clown Jesus.
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Re: Peaceful Response to the Question asked Why Won't God Heal Amputees
« Reply #173 on: July 10, 2011, 11:26:15 PM »
Jeff PT not to mention the Koran and the book of Mormon are "god inspired" books that followed the NT but are easly dismissed by the "true belivers"
There's no right there's no wrong,there's just popular opinion (Brad Pitt as Jeffery Goines in 12 monkeys)