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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #87 on: September 17, 2011, 02:46:11 PM »
I don't know about you, but do you really know and understand everything about universe, gravity, black hole.....etc. I am NOT asking for theories, theories are theories, not an answer.

Implies that one needs to be omniscient to make any assertions about anything and completely ignores the meaning of "theory" in the scientific sense

If you don't have answers, then how are you trying to understand the ONE that created all those things?

Implies that you're omniscient. See above

Maybe you should know and understand about everything that god created first, and try to understand "god"? just a suggestion.

Implies the existence of a god. Not just ANY god but the specific god you worship. See above
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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #88 on: September 17, 2011, 03:55:23 PM »
You see, us believers are NOT god's advocates, he doesn't need one.

Then why are you here?

I know certain aspects of god, but certainly not everything.

But... didn't you just say: "Maybe you should know and understand about everything that god created first, and try to understand "god"? just a suggestion." Hmmm....


You can certainly try to ask him, but he won't answer

That is the smartest thing I've seen you say yet!

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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #89 on: September 17, 2011, 06:04:26 PM »
All of these things have been thoroughly refuted by science.
show me your science so I can take it to about 5 billion people on the earth and tell them "sirs! you are wrongs!

argumentum ad populumWiki ... a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or most people believe it; it alleges: "If many believe so, it is so."

Besides, those billions of theists you mention are divided into many religions who are in turn subdivided into thousands of denominations. Each group pointing the finger claiming all of others to be wrong ... so don't give me that shit.

Scientific papers are available to the general public. They refute every claim made by creationists. Anybody can look 'em up. These papers go through very strict peer review processes and take years to be confirmed and published. They are tested and re-tested and tested again before the scientific community comes to a consensus.

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You want to argue that there is no god? Fine, So flipping what? (that) Doesn't make any god/gods/God disappear.

You're right, it doesn't make any gods disappear ... because there were never any gods in the first place.

I go where the evidence leads me. The scientific evidence refutes many of the claims your bible makes. I have yet to see any evidence at all confirming a god exists. Therefore, I will assume there is no god.
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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #90 on: September 18, 2011, 12:16:37 AM »
I am not saying "there is a bunch of people believes in god, so you should consider", but are you saying those bunch of scientists that believe in god are less educated than you?

I have no problems with a scientist who has a mystical bent, who wonders about what was there before the Big Bang, who ponder things like mind vs. brain or the nature of emotions, or who just stares into the night sky and marvels at the beauty of it all.

I have an insurmountable problem with anyone who claims that one particular god exists because some ancient book said so, and who ignores readily-available empirical evidence rather than facing the possibility that their belief might be wrong.  They are not 'scientists' in any meaningful sense of the word.  I consider them deluded, dishonest and a net detriment to the scientific community, and I don't really *care* if they had a better scientific education than Me because they don't seem to be using that education.
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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #91 on: September 18, 2011, 01:03:13 AM »
I am not saying "there is a bunch of people believes in god, so you should consider", but are you saying those bunch of scientists that believe in god are less educated than you?

Argumentum ad verecundiamWiki! I haven't seen one of those in a while
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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #92 on: September 18, 2011, 07:48:45 AM »
coram, darling, you gave some personal information already:

I am 37, male, married, 3 kids, self employed truth seeking person.

Would you kindly elaborate a bit on "self employed"?  Exactly what is it you do?  Also, could you please tell us about your education?  What is your highest degree, what major, etc?  It will help to understand what we're dealing with.  It might let us know some mitigating circumstances.

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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #93 on: September 18, 2011, 09:33:33 AM »
Coram, are you the same person as user John 3 16?

Answer this question before proceeding with your regularly scheduled afronts to human decency and intellectual honesty.
You believe evolution and there is no evidence for that. Where is the fossil record of a half man half ape. I've only ever heard about it in reading.

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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #94 on: September 18, 2011, 06:19:15 PM »
Coram, are you the same person as user John 3 16?

Answer this question before proceeding with your regularly scheduled afronts to human decency and intellectual honesty.
No.  you are wrong.

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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #95 on: September 18, 2011, 10:30:09 PM »
coram, darling, you gave some personal information already:

I am 37, male, married, 3 kids, self employed truth seeking person.

Would you kindly elaborate a bit on "self employed"?  Exactly what is it you do?  Also, could you please tell us about your education?  What is your highest degree, what major, etc?  It will help to understand what we're dealing with.  It might let us know some mitigating circumstances.

Thanks, love.
I think it fair that you give  me some of your personal info first. At least like ones I gave you.
So, how old are you? Are you married? any kids? occupation, and what do you persuit?

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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #96 on: September 18, 2011, 10:42:36 PM »
I am not saying "there is a bunch of people believes in god, so you should consider", but are you saying those bunch of scientists that believe in god are less educated than you?

Argumentum ad verecundiamWiki! I haven't seen one of those in a while
you are wrong. read below
I *did* get a good science education; therefore, it is natural for Me to see the Bible and other "holy books" as primitive nonsense.

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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #97 on: September 18, 2011, 11:47:19 PM »
you are wrong {about argumentum ad verecundiam}. read below

I *did* get a good science education; therefore, it is natural for Me to see the Bible and other "holy books" as primitive nonsense.

Uh... Sorry to break this to you, CoramD, but My statement isn't an argument from authority.  It's My personal experience from comparing science and religion.  Things in the real world tend to work whether or not you believe in them.  Things in the religious world seem to depend unduly on the mental state of the believer, and there is no reliable way to determine if 2 different people are having similar religious experiences.

Science tells Me about gravity.  I can experience it Myself by dropping rocks and noticing that they do tend to fall to the ground... Repeatedly.  Better yet, if you were to drop a rock it would probably fall to the ground.

Science tells Me about chemistry.  I have observed that every time I put pennies in a saucer, sprinkle them with table salt and add some white vinegar, it makes the pennies shiny again.  Every blinkin' time I've done it, from age 6 to My present age of 54.  Better yet, if you conducted the same experiment in the same way, I'm reasonably sure your pennies would turn shiny again, too.

However, I have never had a religious experience that I could objectively verify or replicate.  I have never had a verifiable encounter with this god of yours.  And I still don't have My very own Talking Snake™, despite the Bible's assertion that they exist.

I'll stick with science, thankyouverymuch.

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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #98 on: September 19, 2011, 04:44:00 AM »
Coram Deo has now been banned as a sock puppet of John 3 16.

Direct your questions to the John 3 16 account if it ever merits being unmuted.
You believe evolution and there is no evidence for that. Where is the fossil record of a half man half ape. I've only ever heard about it in reading.

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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #99 on: September 19, 2011, 04:48:03 AM »
I do love it when christians make asses of themselves like this. Mainly because they end up doing more damage to their cause. I doubt most christians enjoy being represented by such an ass.
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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #100 on: September 19, 2011, 06:06:32 AM »
Coram Deo has now been banned as a sock puppet of John 3 16.

Direct your questions to the John 3 16 account if it ever merits being unmuted.

Poor Coram Deo, John 3-16 told him not to do that.
Did not. Did to. Did not. Did to.
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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #101 on: September 19, 2011, 07:05:31 AM »
Coram Deo has now been banned as a sock puppet of John 3 16.

Direct your questions to the John 3 16 account if it ever merits being unmuted.

While I find it amusing, how the inhereint dishonest of someone who tries to declare moral superiority...what allowed you to conclude this was a sock puppet?
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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #102 on: September 19, 2011, 10:52:24 AM »
Coram Deo has now been banned as a sock puppet of John 3 16.

Direct your questions to the John 3 16 account if it ever merits being unmuted.

I should have known. Coram Deo completely ignored my previous post, which was addressed toward him, just so he could be petty with certain members that John 3 16 was usually petty toward.
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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #103 on: September 19, 2011, 03:23:20 PM »
While I find it amusing, how the inhereint dishonest of someone who tries to declare moral superiority...what allowed you to conclude this was a sock puppet?

Prayed to FSM.
You believe evolution and there is no evidence for that. Where is the fossil record of a half man half ape. I've only ever heard about it in reading.

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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #104 on: September 19, 2011, 06:59:16 PM »
While I find it amusing, how the inhereint dishonest of someone who tries to declare moral superiority...what allowed you to conclude this was a sock puppet?

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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #105 on: September 20, 2011, 11:11:17 AM »
Maybe, that is what god wanted?
You see, us believers are NOT god's advocates, he doesn't need one.
Nice save after you've failed to advocate with any ability. 
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I know certain aspects of god, but certainly not everything.
One thing I know for sure, god-man=creator-creation.
You know this "for sure"?  Then you must have some evidence.  Just like every other theist has claimed.  Let me know how you know it is your god that created us and not Vishnu, or Quezalcoatl or any of the hundreds of creator gods that humanity has claimed one time or other as real.


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We are not in a position to ask god "hey man why did you make the tree of knowledge of good and evil?"
You can certainly try to ask him, but he won't answer or change anything.
Why not? Other christians claim that he does?  Are they lying, CD?  Or are you? Can you show me how you know?

And theories are an answer, the best decription we have a a moment.  You use these theories everyday and only question them when they show your religion is just another myth. 
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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #106 on: October 09, 2011, 06:32:07 PM »
The most beautiful thing I have seen come from the bible.

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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #107 on: October 09, 2011, 10:13:03 PM »
And some of the most grotesque things I've seen have come from the Bible!

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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #108 on: November 16, 2011, 07:39:20 AM »
if there is really "NO GOD" like you stupid people said, why waste your time on proving and trying to get rid of something that don't exist, that is kind of STUPID!

It is not my job to prove that God does not exist, because I'm not the one claiming that there is a God.

It is your responsibility to provide credible, convincing evidence that God exists.

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BTW, what a lovely graph. That would make a cool poster!


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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #109 on: November 17, 2011, 02:00:42 PM »
Hey commonsense247, if you ever bother to come back, here's a bit of advice- misrepresenting our views and demanding the closing down of this forum because of those falsehoods isn’t going to work.

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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #110 on: November 17, 2011, 02:16:17 PM »
Coram Deo has now been banned as a sock puppet of John 3 16.

Direct your questions to the John 3 16 account if it ever merits being unmuted.

I figured c.d. was a sockpuppet after he made this comment-
hi pony! wouldn't it be more appropriate to say hello, first?  my dear old friend ;)

How he thought that wouldn't make you suspicious is beyond me. Maybe he had faith that everyone here would be as clueless as him? He did have trouble grasping the concept of evidence. :laugh:
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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #111 on: December 11, 2011, 08:13:35 AM »
Hey great news for Jesus freaks.

I counted approx 642 chapters that didn't have contradictions. That to me is something to build on. Now start over. This time do it right.

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« Reply #112 on: December 12, 2011, 12:12:31 AM »
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« Reply #113 on: December 12, 2011, 06:10:18 AM »
Just use COMMON SENSE!
Why trying to get rid of something or someone that don't exist?

Look around the Forum.  Can you find any examples of anyone here proposing ways to get rid of an omnipotent superbeing who created the Cosmos?  No.  Such an entity does not exist,[1] so you will see no efforts being made to get rid of it.  What people here are trying to get rid of is highly-infectious mind-viruses that cause bad effects when they are appealed to as a proper basis on which to operate a society.  "Yahweh" is not a real person; rather, he's a fictional character that significantly influences the behavior of people in the world.  He's like Harry Potter.[2]  Many Christians loathe Harry Potter, to the extent of holding book-burnings and trying to get Harry Potter books banned from school libraries.[3]  Yet, I think you would be hard-pressed to find a Christian who believes Harry Potter and his world of wizards and magical creatures actually exist.
 1. To the same level of probability we can agree that leprechauns and faeries do not exist.
 2. Well, except that Harry Potter isn't portrayed as a genocidal tyrant who plans to torture billions of people in fire forever.  Even Voldemort doesn't approach that degree of malevolence.
 3. Note that even the most ardent "New Atheists" aren't advocating actual censorship like this.
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Re: Bible Contradiction Graph
« Reply #114 on: December 12, 2011, 06:26:12 AM »
Maybe all those things happened. couldn't tell who went to the tomb first, but I think it is possible.


I suppose all those things could have happened.  John and Peter were simultaneously there and not there, there were simultaneously many women and yet only one (maybe she was really fat?).  Maybe god just hit the rewind button on his omni-remote control and called a "do-over" multiple times.  All things are possible with god, except of course healing amputees and curing mental health illnesses.

It's Biblical proof of the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum mechanics!  Halleluiah! XD  Henceforth, Peter, John, and Mary Magdalene shall be known as Schrodinger's Disciples.  Which might also be a good name for a band...
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« Reply #115 on: December 12, 2011, 06:58:08 AM »
Maybe all those things happened. couldn't tell who went to the tomb first, but I think it is possible.


I suppose all those things could have happened.  John and Peter were simultaneously there and not there, there were simultaneously many women and yet only one (maybe she was really fat?).  Maybe god just hit the rewind button on his omni-remote control and called a "do-over" multiple times.  All things are possible with god, except of course healing amputees and curing mental health illnesses.

It's Biblical proof of the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum mechanics!  Halleluiah! XD  Henceforth, Peter, John, and Mary Magdalene shall be known as Schrodinger's Disciples.  Which might also be a good name for a band...

........proselytising  Schrodinger's catechism
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