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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #145 on: October 30, 2010, 03:24:42 AM »
Clarity: When I talk about "anticipating" things, I am talking about having a working mental model of reality that anticipates the behavior of reality in advance, as employed in this article:

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Carl Sagan once told a parable of a man who comes to us and claims: "There is a dragon in my garage." Fascinating! We reply that we wish to see this dragon - let us set out at once for the garage! "But wait," the claimant says to us, "it is an invisible dragon."

Now as Sagan points out, this doesn't make the hypothesis unfalsifiable. Perhaps we go to the claimant's garage, and although we see no dragon, we hear heavy breathing from no visible source; footprints mysteriously appear on the ground; and instruments show that something in the garage is consuming oxygen and breathing out carbon dioxide.

But now suppose that we say to the claimant, "Okay, we'll visit the garage and see if we can hear heavy breathing," and the claimant quickly says no, it's an inaudible dragon. We propose to measure carbon dioxide in the air, and the claimant says the dragon does not breathe. We propose to toss a bag of flour into the air to see if it outlines an invisible dragon, and the claimant immediately says, "The dragon is permeable to flour."

Carl Sagan used this parable to illustrate the classic moral that poor hypotheses need to do fast footwork to avoid falsification. But I tell this parable to make a different point: The claimant must have an accurate model of the situation somewhere in his mind, because he can anticipate, in advance, exactly which experimental results he'll need to excuse.

Emphasis in original.  This is an excerpt, the whole article is well worth reading.
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #146 on: October 30, 2010, 03:35:33 AM »
Fighter, your "Atheist/Christian debate" is completely incoherent and demonstrates a lack of understanding of what atheists actually think.  If you're actually interested in truth and willing to update your mental model of what an atheist is, stick around and you'll find out.  If you prefer to insulate yourself from facts and retain a straw-man image passed on to you by your Sunday School teacher or some apologetics website, then you are almost certain to waste both your time and ours.

I recommend you lurk and read a bit before jumping in, so that you can at least argue against our actual position instead of a misunderstanding of it.
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #147 on: October 30, 2010, 04:06:49 AM »
This is probably the most honest answer I've seen on here. With the thoughtfulness that she put into it, I feel like we could have some good conversations. The normal thread is filled with diatribe, 4-letter words, blaspheme, and ferocity. Kudos Ashe!
I can see why you'd think Ashe's post was great - it was.
I don't see how anyone else was insincere. I know I was sincere ... my post is in complete agreement with Ashes's, after all.

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Those links were some evidences for you to have fun with. The one on Noah's Ark had a video that I saw, but I can't seem to locate it now.
Evidence for Noah's Ark doesn't exist. What I've seen presented is laughable; I wouldn't borrow you ten bucks if I had as much evidence for your intention to pay it back as I have for Noah's Ark.
Also, evidence for Noah's Ark is evidence for Noah's Ark. It wouldn't prove the entirety of the bible.

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You know that we could never get into a chemistry lab and cook up a formula to somehow reveal God. Faith and Trust in Him are required.
Then why the OP?

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For me, it was quite simple. I had drawn a conclusion that God had to have created the universe years earlier, but that conclusion didn't translate into faith and trust. Quite honestly, it was merely an academic exercise. However, it has to be an academic exercise for a person before it will ever be a heart-felt faith and trust.
Oh, okay. Can we have an exact point-by-point on your premises, methods, and conclusions? Specifics.
Also, having found Ashe's post honest - have you considered that your conclusion may be wrong? Would you believe anything else on faith and trust?

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Why did I believe there had to be a God? Our world is too perfectly shaped, chaos does not fill our world (even though it is moving toward chaotic), our systems work too well, singularity doesn't make sense without a cause (and it must be an external force, which I can reconcile as the God of the Bible).
Why a specific god?
Too perfectly shaped compared to what?
Our systems working is a restatment of the perfect shape thing.
Chaos does fill our world at the quantum level.
Why must it be an external force as opposed to, say, just the nature of the universe? Or happenstance?

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I recently saw a History Channel special, and it tried to explain that the earth was made by many collisions, then some comets carrying water hit the earth. How ludicrous was that whole thing!
Why? Do you have a model that works better, backed by evidence, making predictions?

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And they never even attempt to explain how living organisms could form out of all that.
Well, was the special about planet formation or abiogenesis? Also, a TV documentary is not not not in any way, shape, or form representative of what's going on in science. It's stuff made to sell; if you're lucky it's made by well-meaning people who aren't specialists and/or are trying to simplify stuff for lay audiences.
If you wanna read up on planet formation or abiogenesis, go read scientific magazines that specialize in science and nothing else. Not that you will ever find abiogenesis in the same article as planetary formation.
Also, science being wrong wouldn't make the bible right.

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The human body is nothing short of a miracle machine. At the cell level, scientists have shown how each part of a cell must exist at the same time for it to work. Evolution could not gradually make a cell. It's impossible. Darwin even readily admitted that if there was information in the cell, then his concept/theory fails miserably.
Yes, and Darwin was wrong. It can be explained, and has been.
Besides, the complexity of the human body is, again, evidence for nothing more that the complexity of the human body and its ability to work in its environment.
It's actually a prediction of evolutionary theory that systems subject to it (including non-living matter, like prions) will look as if designed.
A miracle machine? I can think of a dozen design flaws easily explained by evolution. If you're curious, I can post them. (In any case, if humans are miracle machines, so is every other complex organism.)
Also, again, science being wrong wouldn't make the bible right.

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All these works-based religions are normally centered on a single author who finds himself somehow as part of the main core of the religion. In other words, I could start a new religion today and cite myself in a book as the prophet of that religion. Those had to be ruled out.
Why? Why can't someone claiming to be some god's prophet be, in fact, exactly what he says?

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That basically knocked it down to Judaism and Christianity for me.
That leaves hundreds if not thousands of religions dismissed, even though they pass your above criterion.

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Realizing Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies of the OT and that He never wrote a book, His humility drew to read more.
That realization being based on what?

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As I saw all the shortcomings of each of the Apostles and those that surrounded Jesus in the writings of the NT, I could not help but see the finger of God. No mortal would reveal such fallibilities in a Holy Book.
What? the shortcomings of people are an extremely common theme in every mythology that I'm aware of.
Why should I see this as even an indication for the bible's veracity as opposed to its authors' literary devices and intent?

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Everyone's threshold of evidence is different.
True ... to a point.

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While I wouldn't begin to say someone was unintelligent if s/he didn't believe that some deity had to create the universe, I wouldn't go the other way either. Faith and beliefs are independent of knowledge and intellect.
Demonstrably untrue, statistically speaking.

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For example, for E=mc2, how do we know that it's not LE=mc2Y, where L = 1 at this point in time and within our universe and Y = 1 at this point in time and within our universe? The answer is, we don't. Scientists are continuously having to go back and redo formulas based on new information. The bottom line is that we will never be able to define all the variables.
I don't see the relevance to the topic. Please explain.

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Why does the earth not spin off into outer space?
It's either already in the process of spinning into space or toward the gravitational center of the galaxy. Long way to go at a small pace.

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Why doesn't the sun burn out?
It's in the process of doing so. Explained by quantum mechanics. Observed in other stars.

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Why doesn't the moon come crashing into the earth?
Because its speed exceeds escape velocity. I don't want to sound like an asshole, but this is basic Newtonian mechanics.

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Did you know the earth's rotation is slowing down?
Why is that surprising with so many factors around? Explained by science.

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What caused it to spin to start with?
Accretion - their own velocity and the influence of gravity. Again, basically Newtonian mechanics.

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Going back in time, some sites show that the rate of slowing has been about 2 milliseconds in almost 200 years. If you figure that going backwards for billions of years, nothing would be able to stay on the earth without getting flung off we'd be spinning so fast. It just doesn't make sense.
Why would we assume the rate has been constant? Read up on it, it slows down and speeds up again.


What do all these questions have to do with god's existence?


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Why does this make sense at all? Because this parallels the Bible's week. 6 days = 6,000 years, 1 day = 1,000 years. I'm not saying I subscribe to that, but it is plausible. I just know that I need to be ready when it does happen, whenever it might happen.
And use a different mathematical system - say, base 6 (but really anything but ten) and suddenly it looks neither neat nor plausible - but of course you know that if you have a computer science education. (You then get 11 days and 43440 years instead of 6 and 6000. Too lazy to convert into binary.)
Also, highly hypothetical.
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #148 on: October 30, 2010, 04:27:12 AM »
All these works-based religions

Sounds like you're implicitly assuming that a "works-based religion" must be false.  Is that correct?  If not, what relevance does "works-based" have in the context of your post?  But OK, let's grant for the sake of discussion that a "works-based" religion must be false.

I didn't address your comment. But no, His love is not unconditional. We are separated from God and His enemies until we humble ourselves, confess, repent, and submit to His Will. Then we are adopted by Him.

So, have you picked out a new religion yet?

 
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #149 on: October 30, 2010, 04:28:00 AM »
You have to come to Him on His terms, not yours. Do you admit that you are a sinner?

That is step one, I'm presuming?  

I would require a definition of sin - I repeat what I said earlier: clearly whatever my previous understanding was, was wrong.  Hence, I need clear, step by step instructions from you - since you are in contact with your god, clearly YOUR understanding of what to do is one that works.  

I should add that - before I start - I would like you to lay out ALL the steps required.  I always prefer the complete roadmap before I start a trip, rather than being told I will get the next direction on the way.  I'm sure you will appreciate that there are many false idols and cults that deliberately withhold all the steps in order to pull the "sucker" along.  

So...step 1: admit I am a sinner (requires definition of "sin", as you understand it).  Step 2 is....?

NB - if you would prefer to do this with me in a debate room, I'm fine with that.
Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid.
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #150 on: October 30, 2010, 08:45:51 AM »
That is step one, I'm presuming? 

I would require a definition of sin - I repeat what I said earlier: clearly whatever my previous understanding was, was wrong.  Hence, I need clear, step by step instructions from you - since you are in contact with your god, clearly YOUR understanding of what to do is one that works. 

I should add that - before I start - I would like you to lay out ALL the steps required.  I always prefer the complete roadmap before I start a trip, rather than being told I will get the next direction on the way.  I'm sure you will appreciate that there are many false idols and cults that deliberately withhold all the steps in order to pull the "sucker" along. 

So...step 1: admit I am a sinner (requires definition of "sin", as you understand it).  Step 2 is....?

NB - if you would prefer to do this with me in a debate room, I'm fine with that.

Step 1) Read the Bible
Step 2) Believe it (hardest step by far)
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #151 on: October 30, 2010, 09:22:04 AM »
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Well that shows that I love my dog more than your god loves me. Thing is, my dog can choose to lick its not so privates, even if it makes me uncomfortable, I still love him.

Two guys walking down the street. A dog is licking himself. One guy says, "I wish I could do that!" The other guy says, "Think he'll bite?"

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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #152 on: October 30, 2010, 09:28:24 AM »

Two guys walking down the street. A dog is licking himself. One guy says, "I wish I could do that!" The other guy says, "Think he'll bite?"


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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #153 on: October 30, 2010, 09:50:54 AM »
Then we have nothing to discuss. You're not open, and I'm not interested in talking with you.

Er, wait...

I've addressed your question many times on these forums. I've readily admitted that I'm closed. I've done the research, and I'm convinced that Jesus is Lord and Savior. He is the bridegroom, and the Church is His bride.


So it's ok for tbright to be closed minded, but not for someone else?  What gives?   :shrug

Little things like that makes it hard to think you're interested in actual discussions.
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #154 on: October 30, 2010, 10:01:38 AM »
So it's ok for tbright to be closed minded, but not for someone else?  What gives?   :shrug
I'd say that it's quite simple:

tbright wants to ignore our rules and proselytize here, tell us all that we're sinners and drop in scripture whenever he can, simultaneously showing us that he isn't interested in hearing what we have to say.

That's why time is running out for him if he wishes to keep his account. The ER will serve little purpose other than to waste more of our time.
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #155 on: October 30, 2010, 10:04:09 AM »
^He's solely interested in trying to gain converts, as opposed to learning and having civil discourse. Not that this is news, as 99% of the theists that visit here have the same motivations. Not surprisingly, if we were to try the same tactics on a xtian forum, we'd be banned almost instantly, such is their disdain for anything challenging their fragile delusions.
Actually it doesn't. One could conceivably be all-powerful but not exceptionally intelligent.

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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #156 on: October 30, 2010, 10:14:59 AM »
We ban alot of theists for being stupid whilst theists ban alot of atheists for being smart. I'd say I like our side a bit more. Elitism is way better than mediocrity.
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #157 on: October 30, 2010, 10:43:31 AM »
I dunno, tbright's entertaining in a train wreak sort of way...

Of course, if he is banned, he'll just cry "Yay!  I've just been persecuted!" in a dreamy-eyed fashion.   &)
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #158 on: October 30, 2010, 10:59:03 AM »
We ban alot of theists for being stupid whilst theists ban alot of atheists for being smart. I'd say I like our side a bit more. Elitism is way better than mediocrity.


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2 - Theists aren't banned for being stupid. They're banned for breaking the rules of the forum
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #159 on: October 30, 2010, 11:04:48 AM »
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Hey, rather than putting words in our mouths, why not let us speak for ourselves?  That way you won't make any wrong assumptions like you did in your post.
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« Reply #160 on: October 30, 2010, 07:44:19 PM »
Why did I believe there had to be a God? Our world is too perfectly shaped, chaos does not fill our world (even though it is moving toward chaotic)
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What do you mean here- current world politics in general – Obama to Osama to exploding toner to socialism, or just the physical tendency toward chaos?  I think your sentence here shows a chink in your Christian armor.

Evolution could not gradually make a cell. It's impossible.

-   The more I think about it, as I reject the whole creation idea and explore the nitty gritty details of a absolute beginning of evolution, the idea of a large floating guy with a beard in 6 days  is so much less impressive than what has really happened – having said that, we with our “all so important” plans and morals and beliefs and wars are just many unimportant steps above stalactites and snails.  What misfiring in our brains even causes us to need there to be any start time to creation at all?
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« Reply #161 on: October 30, 2010, 07:58:05 PM »
Methinks tbright has left the building. . . .

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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #162 on: October 30, 2010, 10:37:09 PM »
Sorry, Blaziken.

Oversimplified and exaggerated sounds so much better than accurate. I was tempted.
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #163 on: October 30, 2010, 11:17:14 PM »
tbright,

The owner of this forum has invited guests to give their testimony.

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Tell us why you believe, and why your belief is important to you.

    * What is it that makes your belief so strong?

    * How has God worked in your life?

    * Why do you think it is important for others to believe?

    * Are there any miracles or personal experiences that you have seen, either in your life or in the lives of others, that you would like to share?

In other words, be specific.  Tell us why you believe, don't simply repeat that you believe.

It's not a friendly invitation.  Are you going to get grilled for it?  Sure.  Expect to be  insulted and have your arguments picked at in very unfriendly ways.  Your Lord allowed himself to be tortured to death for your sake, and you run away whenever some mean ol "closed" atheist challenges you?  Grow a pair, man.  You don't get to pick and choose who to talk to here, and recruit a moonie following of barefoot flower child Jesus-freaks.  Not here.

You have been asked on multiple threads to give specific details and to explain your assertions, but you repeatedly ignore the requests.  You say we're all sinners who have violated God's law, but you don't explain what sin is. 

And by the way, This is preaching:

Who said anything about Him being happy? He commanded you to worship Him. Either you will do that with a loving heart (as a child loves a parent) or you won't. But either way, you will do it. I promise you.

It is written: " 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.' "
Romans 14:11

So whose terms do you want? Get right with Him today.

You've told us that you're closed, and that you refuse to talk to members here who are closed.  What kind of basis for a relationship is that?  Why should we even bother with you? 

Frankly, I don't want you here, tbright.  You're a waste of forum space and moderators' time and energy.  You're not even as entertaining as a good troll.  I'd be delighted if you cancel your account, but it's not my call.  Shall we take a poll and see whether more members would rather see the back of you?

Or would you prefer to go lawyering your way into a ban, so that you can go back and tell your congregation that you've been kicked out of some obscure forum by the evil atheists there?  If that's your ultimate goal please let us know now so we can help you achieve it sooner than later.

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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #164 on: October 31, 2010, 03:30:43 AM »
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #165 on: November 02, 2010, 04:54:27 AM »
Tbright -

You once told me you were done with me.

Apparently, this still holds true.  You, sir, are dishonest.   Should I come to the forums you frequent and tell my testimony?  Should I speak to them about how you, the amazing Christian apologist, allowed an atheist to become an atheist due to the fact that your own testimony is so painfully, willfully bad

I won't.  You're safe.  Enjoy your closedmindedness while progress marches on around you, using the theories you ignore.  Hope for your rapture and accomplish nothing.  Stand secure in your righteousness, committing the very sin of Pride your god warns you about at every turn.  Raise your head high in your lack of Humility. Willfully ignore anything that's troublesome to your state of mind!

In the end, you are free to do whatever it is you'd like.

Just as I am free to call you precisely what you are - a self-righteous, ignorant prick, representative of all that is poor about your faith, and the precise reason why I can no longer find it in me to believe in the absolute nonsense you preach.  You are so secure in your own ignorance that it's a wonder you've learned about fire; you take the benefits of the science and civilization that have been built on principles you claim are false without once realizing what kind of person that makes you.

Good luck.  Godspeed, if you like.  If anything, you've gotten more incoherent. 
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #166 on: November 02, 2010, 05:23:17 AM »
You have to come to Him on His terms, not yours. Do you admit that you are a sinner?

That is step one, I'm presuming?  

I would require a definition of sin - I repeat what I said earlier: clearly whatever my previous understanding was, was wrong.  Hence, I need clear, step by step instructions from you - since you are in contact with your god, clearly YOUR understanding of what to do is one that works.  

Tbright came back to the forum on Monday.  To answer my questions and help lead me to Christ?

Nope.  To clear up a misunderstanding about NRA funding.

Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid.
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #167 on: November 02, 2010, 12:08:57 PM »
Frankly, I don't want you here, tbright.  You're a waste of forum space and moderators' time and energy.

When a Mod goes from being an enforcer of the rules to revealing his/her personal opinion of someone on the forum, one should question the capability of that Mod of being fair. To that end, I have specifically submitted several "Report to Mod" complaints over the course of a couple of weeks and not one has been answered. Most recently, I asked for clarification on the definition of Proselytizing and Evangelizing because I want to make sure that I follow the rules of this forum. Until I get that reply, I won't be posting anything of Christian Biblical substance. I'm sure you can appreciate my wanting to follow the rules of this forum. If someone asks me a question and I answer that question, is that considered proselytizing? If I post a clarification on a misunderstood or misinterpreted Bible verse, is that considered evangelizing? These are the types of questions that I need answered by a Mod.

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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #168 on: November 02, 2010, 12:14:49 PM »
Then we have nothing to discuss. You're not open, and I'm not interested in talking with you.

Er, wait...

I've addressed your question many times on these forums. I've readily admitted that I'm closed. I've done the research, and I'm convinced that Jesus is Lord and Savior. He is the bridegroom, and the Church is His bride.


So it's ok for tbright to be closed minded, but not for someone else?  What gives?   :shrug

Little things like that makes it hard to think you're interested in actual discussions.

I bet you dont require scripture to address Aaron, do you?

Are you interested in actual discussion, or are you here solely to try to gain converts?
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #169 on: November 02, 2010, 12:17:56 PM »
I think a good rule of thum, TB, is that when you make claims and can't support them and won't acknolwedge evience against them, that's proselytizing.  Like claiming that you and only you have the "right" intepretation and "right" understanding of verses.  You want people to accept your faith without question it seems and this is where I find discussion and preaching to be polar opposites. "I'm right, and I wont' change my mind" is not discussion.

Thus, answering a question is not proselytizing.  Answering a question with claims and then not backing them up and/or ignoring the questions presented about your claims is.      
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #170 on: November 02, 2010, 12:25:46 PM »
I bet you dont require scripture to address Aaron, do you?

Are you interested in actual discussion, or are you here solely to try to gain converts?

Forget it.  Tbright has gone from being an entertaining train wreak into... well, just a really bad train wreak.  He made it clear just now that he's going to resort to tactics and obfuscation to avoid having an actual discussion.  Of course, he'll just accuse you of tactics and obfuscation, even though he'll never back up those claims. (hey tbright, I'm still waiting to see how those applies to me...  :shrug )
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #171 on: November 02, 2010, 12:26:25 PM »
Then we have nothing to discuss. You're not open, and I'm not interested in talking with you.

Er, wait...

I've addressed your question many times on these forums. I've readily admitted that I'm closed. I've done the research, and I'm convinced that Jesus is Lord and Savior. He is the bridegroom, and the Church is His bride.

So it's ok for tbright to be closed minded, but not for someone else?  What gives?   :shrug

Little things like that makes it hard to think you're interested in actual discussions.

I bet you dont require scripture to address Aaron, do you?

Are you interested in actual discussion, or are you here solely to try to gain converts?

Think about the question. Being a Christian, I've made my decision. That decision offers no compromise; therefore, I'm closed to anything else. Some Atheist forum members have claimed to be open. Others haven't. What good does it do for two closed-minded people to attempt a discussion? Nothing is accomplished. I personally have nothing against anyone who has made up their mind against Christianity. Of course, I believe the Bible to be true and it pains me for what that means in the end for those who reject Him, but each of us has freedom of choice.

For those who are open, I welcome a conversation and discussion (as long as it complies with the rules of the forum). I just don't understand why those Atheists who are closed-minded would want to engage a conversation with a Christian. Are they trying to proselytize their views? Hmmm......

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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #172 on: November 02, 2010, 12:31:25 PM »
^^^^ What good does it do for one close-minded member to have a discussion with anyone? If you're so mentally damaged that you can't change your mind or even acknowledge that your evidence is non-existent or that evidence contradicts you, what do you plan to contribute to any discussion? I'm open-minded, but someone like you wouldn't make me consider god. Someone like you would be the perfect reason to make me reject god. If a person like you is what god wants on his team, I'll gladly play ball for team Satan. At least then I won't come out covered in the slime that you crawl in and I'll have my intellectual integrity intact.
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Re: tbright asks what evidence would make atheists reconsider?
« Reply #173 on: November 02, 2010, 12:33:17 PM »
Think about the question. Being a Christian, I've made my decision. That decision offers no compromise; therefore, I'm closed to anything else. Some Atheist forum members have claimed to be open. Others haven't. What good does it do for two closed-minded people to attempt a discussion? Nothing is accomplished. I personally have nothing against anyone who has made up their mind against Christianity. Of course, I believe the Bible to be true and it pains me for what that means in the end for those who reject Him, but each of us has freedom of choice.

For those who are open, I welcome a conversation and discussion (as long as it complies with the rules of the forum). I just don't understand why those Atheists who are closed-minded would want to engage a conversation with a Christian. Are they trying to proselytize their views? Hmmm......

By this logic, why even bother talking with atheists?  Why would closed-minded christians want to engage a conversation with a atheist? (using your own words here)

For that matter, why does being a christian allows--no, demands that you be closed-minded, but being an atheist, apparently, does not necessary demands that you are closed-minded?

Finally, I find it very curious that you're using a word with negative connotation to describe yourself.   :-\  :shrug


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