Phel, I don’t expect you to have the bible memorized. But I do expect you to do a little research before saying “no it doesn’t”. There’s a nice website biblegateway.com which has many different versions of the bible and a keyword search function as well as a verse search. You want to claim that the bible is “entire body of work” which is the usual “context” claim by Christians. And I know how badly those arguments go for Christians. You all whip out your magic decoder rings and insist that some part or other is “literal” or “metaphor” as it suits you, no matter what the context actually is. I know the context of the bible, phel. When a particular Christian wants to declare that they and only they know the “right” context, it’s just as amusing as any Christian claiming that they know what God “really meant”. But if you do want to consider the Bible one entire body of work, you are stuck with obeying all of it since the earth and heaven’s have not passed a way. But I’m sure you won’t agree with that, suddenly what Jesus said is “taken out of context” and you decide you can eat shrimp.
And golly, you “concede” the marriage thing. Well, how nice, since I know it’s because you have nothing to show evidence that I’m wrong. Theists *always* claim that they suddenly dont’ have enough time or ability to actually put up or shut up. It gets pretty funny since I can practically predict what a theist will do in an argument. For a book that supposedly tells you all you need to know about how to please God, so many of you are so ignorant of it. I do wonder if you think willful ignorance will cut it with God. “Oh sorry, God, I just didn’t know.”. BTW, it’s not only in the OT where God seems to have an opinion of polygamy. 1 Timothy says that a deacon/elder should have only one wife. Why is this spelled out if it was only approved to have one wife? And I would also ask, if one wants to be a church leader, why is one wife okay when Jesus said that the best of them would have no wives at all? It seems to be a contradiction, however minor.
I want to tell you that if God is fair, If God is Just, If God is holy, then God's judgement and wrath are congruent. Will God meet your expectations, no, and he doesn't have to.
I’m sure you do want to tell me such things. It does probably help your conscience when someone asks you directly “Is it okay to kill children?” You won’t answer me directly at all. We see no evidence for this god, much less any evidence of God being fair, just or holy. Even his own bible shows this is not true. And God should at least meet what his supposed holy book says, yes? If not, it’s just a lie.
False, just don't have it memorized or just the parts I need to throw believers into difficult conversations.
I’ll give you that. You may have indeed read the bible but forgot huge parts of it, the same parts, not so coincidentally I think, that show your God as not what you claim him to be. I always sam rather confused by this, if the bible is so important, why don’t Christians make more of an effort to know it since their their immortal soul is banked on following it correctly. Yes, I do know much of the bible thanks to asking Christians what they really know and believe. I’ve forgot parts occasionally. Did you know that the three kings didn’t get any where near a “manger”? They found Jesus in a house.
This was not your argument. You said, there is nothing to support the events of the bible, yet the existance of the wailing wall, and other cities, and kingdoms would be supporting evidence of the events of say, Solomons temple being destroyed, the herodian temple being destroyed, ect
Sorry, phel, but what I said was back on #234
As for archaeology, there is nothing that supports any of the essential events claimed to have occurred in the Bible. NONE. No exodus, no massacre of the innocents, no census, no Sodom and Gomorrah, no earthquake on a certain day in spring, etc.
As you can see, I said essential, and listed them. Out of all of the things you claim, we know that the Herodian temple was destroyed in 70 AD. We have contemporary records of that. The closest that the Bible comes to this event is this supposed prophecy “2 “Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.” Which by itself shows that it’s wrong since there are more than a few stones still right where they were laid in this temple wall. Another answer is that Mark was written after the event, but spiffed up a bit from reality. The First temple, as the wiki article and its source say, hasn’t even been found at all. The wikipedia also correctly says that this may not be the end of the debate since no one is allowed to actually look for it. And we might indeed find some remmant of a temple but will it be Solomon’s so painstakingly described in the Bible? Well, the scorecard so far on things like that says no we won’t. But I’m quite happy to wait on it. But you’ve claimed that archaeology supports the bible. Where, phel? Where is this support that would actually say that the events in the bible, those so important to the story, have occurred? You don’t have any. You try to use claims by long dead archaeologists as “evidence” but ignore anything recent. Archaeology is about relics, phel, and you are sadly lacking. All of your claims are just as much proof that your bible is accurate and your god is real as the story of Athena and Poseidon competeing on who got to name Athens. As I said before
Yep, we see that there are cities mentioned in the Bible that are real. So by this any myth with a mention of a real city should be considred real? Then we have the greek gods as beign real since they mention real cities, Spiderman must be real since he’s in New York City, every political thriller ever is real since they mention real cities.
you may call me an idiot, but i never said it was ok to kill a pregnant women, in fact you can quote me as saying it isn't ok to kill pregnant women. But my use of the word destroy, just happens to be the word used in my bible.
You did say it
and to some people it is bad to destroy pregnant women. even though I don't call it bad, others do, and therefore by definition some can say the bible teaches badness.
If you recant your opinion, that’s fine and I’m glad you do but please, phel, don’t say you didn’t originally say it. It does say destroy in your bible, a lot of them do. I’ll grant you that. I still find it an odd word to use, but if you were just going by what it says,understood. But again it seems that you say again that it is okay to kill pregnant women when you say
nope i am still ok with God's judgement and still don't think we have the ability to understand it. I don't think it is ok for a human to kill another human. pregnant or not.
You seem to want to be okay with it ONLY if it’s God’s action. You may want say it like this “I am saying it’s okay to kill pregnant women as long as I think God is commanding it and God seems to be okay with it even though I can’t claim to understand.” In that the Bible also says we understand good and evil like God does, Genesis 3: “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” I would think either we would understand and be quite content with God’s judgement or we didn’t eat this “apple” and we’re stuck with modern human mores. I dont’ think claims of ignorance come into it if you believe in the bible. Which do you think it is, phel?
EDIT: And Phel, I don't really believe you are that distraught that I indicated that you said that the bible only teaches goodness. Since you can't seem to answer the question "Do you think the bible teaches evil?", I really don't think I was far off the mark at all.
you say "indicate" but that isn't what you did. if i say check with velkyn, maybe velkyn can tell you how hummingbirds fly. would indicate you have the knowledge of hummingbirds, but to say, phel claims the bible only teaches goodness is more than just indicating, it is false, a misrepresentation and a misquote, something that is dealt with harshly in this forum and should be.[/quote] I didn’t indicate that you said the bible only teaches truth? Let’s see, I said “Just like phelix’s claims that the bible only teaches “goodness”, which is also simply not true.” You said “You have not represented what I said accurately. I did not say "ONLY" teaches goodness, I said it teaches goodness.” So where *didn’t* I indicate e.g. to state or express briefly you said it taught only goodness? It sure seems I did. Now, this is why I said what I did. http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=16191.msg366430#msg366430
Let me explain. The bible doesn't teach to kill your first born girl, or to legalize abortion or to take on many wives and concubines. It doesn't teach to destroy anyone who gets in your way, or that the person with the most toys wins. It teaches to love your neighbor, to go the extra mile, to give them your shirt if they ask for your coat. It teaches to forgive and reconcile. It teaches that there are consequences to sin and that governments should be fair. It teaches that we should be honest and hardworking. To someone who thinks that God is a joke, I can see how the stories can be far fetched, but what does it teach? It teaches goodness.
I may have been wrong and apologize if I am but I don’t think that I am considering the context of your post here. You go out of your way to list all of the goodness, not one mention of the evil this book teaches. To limit your selection it appears that you only think the bible teaches goodness. And I have not seen you answer the question, do you think the Bible teaches evil. This is why I think what I think. As I said, *if* I’m wrong, I’m sorry. And now that I’ve read into the thread, where you say “No I think the bible teaches what bad is, but it doesn't teach us to do bad things.” It is obvious that this whole bit of nonsense was just desperation on your part. Sad that you would put your immortal soul on the block for such stupid little things. No wonder I don’t believe, even you don’t seem to.