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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #116 on: October 05, 2008, 01:44:07 PM »
Wow. You provided an anti-christian Jewish site. Way to go Jew! Keep the faith!    ;D

And yet, you have no response ... is it A, B, C, or Dodge?

None of the above.
You can't prove it either way so you have to make a choice.

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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #117 on: October 05, 2008, 02:23:03 PM »
Got it.  Dodge.
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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #118 on: October 05, 2008, 03:38:20 PM »
Well biblically that is why Christ died for our sins. So our sins could be forgiven by perfection.

So god is powerless to forgive us, he needs blood.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

Well look at it this way, if the Trinity is a true thing, then it was God Himself who felt every lash of the scourge, the driving of the nails and hung there untill He was dead.

He basically tortured himself for the sins of mankind. To me, thats quite awesome of Him. I respect that.

Omnipotent being of the universe had to endure a few nails and whipping, Boo hoo.

That might be worth something if he was not in a eternal paradise now and forever, whilst still condemning people to hell.

From my point of view, jesus did absolutely nothing at all.

Ok. Lets see you endure a scourging and let me nail you up to a cross shaped piece of wood, but just before you die, I take you down and give you medical attention.

Oh big whoop. Boo hoo for you.  ::)

It was traumatizing enough, as I am sure you understand now.
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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #119 on: October 05, 2008, 03:42:28 PM »
Got it.  Dodge.

Not a dodge. You gave me very limited options to answer with. You handed me a strawman.
You can't prove it either way so you have to make a choice.

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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #120 on: October 05, 2008, 03:57:48 PM »
Well biblically that is why Christ died for our sins. So our sins could be forgiven by perfection.

So god is powerless to forgive us, he needs blood.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

Well look at it this way, if the Trinity is a true thing, then it was God Himself who felt every lash of the scourge, the driving of the nails and hung there untill He was dead.

He basically tortured himself for the sins of mankind. To me, thats quite awesome of Him. I respect that.

Omnipotent being of the universe had to endure a few nails and whipping, Boo hoo.

That might be worth something if he was not in a eternal paradise now and forever, whilst still condemning people to hell.

From my point of view, jesus did absolutely nothing at all.

Ok. Lets see you endure a scourging and let me nail you up to a cross shaped piece of wood, but just before you die, I take you down and give you medical attention.

Oh big whoop. Boo hoo for you.  ::)

It was traumatizing enough, as I am sure you understand now.

That might be a big deal if he was not AN OMNIPOTENT GOD WHO WENT TO A ETERNITY OF PARADISE AFTERWORDS.

Jesus gave up nothing, and gained more or less everything, while still condemning people to hell.

Let's tally it up

GOD: 33 years as a guy who shaved wood and got beat up for about a week, then got eternal bliss
Everyone in hell: Still in hell.


Jesus changed nothing.

Before you had to believe in the almighty skywizard, after jesus you had to worship his son.

NOTHING CHANGED.
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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #121 on: October 05, 2008, 03:59:50 PM »
Well biblically that is why Christ died for our sins. So our sins could be forgiven by perfection.

So god is powerless to forgive us, he needs blood.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

Well look at it this way, if the Trinity is a true thing, then it was God Himself who felt every lash of the scourge, the driving of the nails and hung there untill He was dead.

He basically tortured himself for the sins of mankind. To me, thats quite awesome of Him. I respect that.

Omnipotent being of the universe had to endure a few nails and whipping, Boo hoo.

That might be worth something if he was not in a eternal paradise now and forever, whilst still condemning people to hell.

From my point of view, jesus did absolutely nothing at all.

Ok. Lets see you endure a scourging and let me nail you up to a cross shaped piece of wood, but just before you die, I take you down and give you medical attention.

Oh big whoop. Boo hoo for you.  ::)

It was traumatizing enough, as I am sure you understand now.

That might be a big deal if he was not AN OMNIPOTENT GOD WHO WENT TO A ETERNITY OF PARADISE AFTERWORDS.

Jesus gave up nothing, and gained more or less everything, while still condemning people to hell.

Let's tally it up

GOD: 33 years as a guy who shaved wood and got beat up for about a week, then got eternal bliss
Everyone in hell: Still in hell.


Jesus changed nothing.

Before you had to believe in the almighty skywizard, after jesus you had to worship his son.

NOTHING CHANGED.

Have you ever thought that the people that are going to end up in hell might just BELONG there? Stallin, Pol Pot, you know?

Fuck them if they are going to end up in Hell.

You can't prove it either way so you have to make a choice.

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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #122 on: October 05, 2008, 04:26:08 PM »
So god was already going to send them to hell? Well it seems you have no free will.

Or are you saying jeeeeeeebus does not forgive everyone?

Which would you rather have

Hypocritical jesus or no free will?
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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #123 on: October 05, 2008, 04:47:35 PM »
Nobody is in Heaven or Hell yet according to the bible. That happens on judgement day. So free will is still in effect.

Please do your research before you make statements that are uneducated.

I guess the bible was certainly right about calling you a fool.
You can't prove it either way so you have to make a choice.

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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #124 on: October 05, 2008, 04:50:14 PM »
Wow, those caves are like the Fortress from Superman.

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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #125 on: October 05, 2008, 05:37:19 PM »
Got it.  Dodge.

Not a dodge. You gave me very limited options to answer with. You handed me a strawman.

...and you just gave a non-answer.  Dodge.
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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #126 on: October 05, 2008, 10:07:16 PM »
Well biblically that is why Christ died for our sins. So our sins could be forgiven by perfection.

So god is powerless to forgive us, he needs blood.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

Well look at it this way, if the Trinity is a true thing, then it was God Himself who felt every lash of the scourge, the driving of the nails and hung there untill He was dead.

He basically tortured himself for the sins of mankind. To me, thats quite awesome of Him. I respect that.

Omnipotent being of the universe had to endure a few nails and whipping, Boo hoo.

That might be worth something if he was not in a eternal paradise now and forever, whilst still condemning people to hell.

From my point of view, jesus did absolutely nothing at all.

Ok. Lets see you endure a scourging and let me nail you up to a cross shaped piece of wood, but just before you die, I take you down and give you medical attention.

Oh big whoop. Boo hoo for you.  ::)

It was traumatizing enough, as I am sure you understand now.
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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #127 on: October 05, 2008, 10:08:48 PM »
Wow, those caves are like the Fortress from Superman.

That's what I thought, but I forgot the name of it...  The Fortress of Solitude?

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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #128 on: October 06, 2008, 06:19:57 AM »
Nobody is in Heaven or Hell yet according to the bible. That happens on judgement day. So free will is still in effect.

Please do your research before you make statements that are uneducated.

I guess the bible was certainly right about calling you a fool.

I bet i could find about a billion and a half christians that disagree with that, hell probably even more.

I know see this is pointless, because you are just making shit up.
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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #129 on: October 06, 2008, 06:22:16 AM »
Nobody is in Heaven or Hell yet according to the bible. That happens on judgement day. So free will is still in effect.

Please do your research before you make statements that are uneducated.

I guess the bible was certainly right about calling you a fool.

I bet i could find about a billion and a half christians that disagree with that, hell probably even more.

I know see this is pointless, because you are just making s**t up.

There's no other way to do it - ya gotta make it up!

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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #130 on: October 06, 2008, 08:24:55 AM »
Nobody is in Heaven or Hell yet according to the bible. That happens on judgement day. So free will is still in effect.

Please do your research before you make statements that are uneducated.

I guess the bible was certainly right about calling you a fool.

I bet i could find about a billion and a half christians that disagree with that, hell probably even more.

I know see this is pointless, because you are just making s**t up.

There's no other way to do it - ya gotta make it up!

I am not making it up at all. It is biblically correct. Nobody goes to Heaven or Hell untill judgement day.

Also, I have made a correct statement. Prove me wrong.
You can't prove it either way so you have to make a choice.

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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #131 on: October 06, 2008, 09:01:59 AM »
We don't need to.  Your fellow Christians disagree with you, including the experts.

Address them.
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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #132 on: October 06, 2008, 11:37:01 AM »
Most of you cannot understand the concept that free will and pre-determination can exist simultaneously.
Um, that's because they can't. If pre-determinism is true, then everything that happens was bound to happen, meaning you have no choice.

You still make the choices and I am not getting into this. Atheists cannot understand it.

Neither can you. You just pretend you can.
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« Reply #133 on: October 06, 2008, 02:45:21 PM »
We don't need to.  Your fellow Christians disagree with you, including the experts.

Address them.

They are the delusional ones who do not even follow what Christ had to say about it.
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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #134 on: October 06, 2008, 02:46:35 PM »
Most of you cannot understand the concept that free will and pre-determination can exist simultaneously.
Um, that's because they can't. If pre-determinism is true, then everything that happens was bound to happen, meaning you have no choice.

You still make the choices and I am not getting into this. Atheists cannot understand it.

Neither can you. You just pretend you can.

Bullies. Intellectual bullies. It is too bad that you are not very good at it.

Oh I see the problem now. Daw is not here.

Anyhow, I do not pretend anything and i see that you are too fer imbeded inyour ideas which are limited to this forum to think for yourself.

« Last Edit: October 06, 2008, 02:54:45 PM by nihilanth »
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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #135 on: October 06, 2008, 03:10:43 PM »
Most of you cannot understand the concept that free will and pre-determination can exist simultaneously.
Um, that's because they can't. If pre-determinism is true, then everything that happens was bound to happen, meaning you have no choice.

You still make the choices and I am not getting into this. Atheists cannot understand it.

Neither can you. You just pretend you can.

Bullies. Intellectual bullies. It is too bad that you are not very good at it.

Oh I see the problem now. Daw is not here.

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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #136 on: October 06, 2008, 03:43:53 PM »
Most of you cannot understand the concept that free will and pre-determination can exist simultaneously.
Um, that's because they can't. If pre-determinism is true, then everything that happens was bound to happen, meaning you have no choice.

You still make the choices and I am not getting into this. Atheists cannot understand it.

Neither can you. You just pretend you can.

Bullies. Intellectual bullies. It is too bad that you are not very good at it.

Oh I see the problem now. Daw is not here.




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I bet i could find about a billion and a half christians that disagree with that, hell probably even more.

I know see this is pointless, because you are just making s**t up.

Just as you are all behaving now if you thinking that that the bible says that anybody is in heaven or hell yet. Biblically, nobody goes untill judgement day and that is on the last day.

Have you ever wondered where the term "judgement day" came from? This is absolutely hilarious. You people are argueing about something with which you do not even know what you are talking about, and you are calling me stupid?  ::)

You just proved how stupid and biblically uneducated that you are right here on this thread, but most atheists are hypocrites anyway which is the most obvious way to spot one.

Your stupidity does not make me burn, but it certainly makes me laugh!  ;D

I mean, how am I supposed to take any of you serioius now?  I know this, I certainly will not be taking you seriously anymore Ananukia.

You FAIL on an epic level, and so does Jetson. Forgive me while I bask in the glory of this victory.

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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #137 on: October 06, 2008, 04:09:33 PM »
Nobody is in Heaven or Hell yet according to the bible. That happens on judgement day. So free will is still in effect.

Please do your research before you make statements that are uneducated.

I guess the bible was certainly right about calling you a fool.

I bet i could find about a billion and a half christians that disagree with that, hell probably even more.

I know see this is pointless, because you are just making s**t up.

There's no other way to do it - ya gotta make it up!

I am not making it up at all. It is biblically correct. Nobody goes to Heaven or Hell untill judgement day.

Also, I have made a correct statement. Prove me wrong.
The Bible appears to infer that the lost go to a place called "hades", which is not hell, and the saved go to a place called "paradise", which is not heaven.

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« Reply #138 on: October 06, 2008, 04:19:11 PM »
Synonyms that mean the same thing man.
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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #139 on: October 06, 2008, 04:37:38 PM »
Synonyms that mean the same thing man.
Hmm? Jesus told the thief "today you will be with me in paradise"

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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #140 on: October 06, 2008, 04:44:25 PM »
Synonyms that mean the same thing man.
Hmm? Jesus told the thief "today you will be with me in paradise"

Dude.. come on. It's the same thing. Some translations call Hell, Hades or Gehenna, some call it Hell. It's the same with Paradise/ Heaven.

Same thing. The meanings are the same.
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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #141 on: October 06, 2008, 04:46:46 PM »
Synonyms that mean the same thing man.
Hmm? Jesus told the thief "today you will be with me in paradise"

Dude.. come on. It's the same thing. Some translations call Hell, Hades or Gehenna, some call it Hell. It's the same with Paradise/ Heaven.

Same thing. The meanings are the same.

So some people do go to heaven before the judgment?

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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #142 on: October 06, 2008, 04:53:18 PM »
LOL!  Get ready for a twist!
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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #143 on: October 07, 2008, 08:17:03 AM »
Synonyms that mean the same thing man.
Hmm? Jesus told the thief "today you will be with me in paradise"

Dude.. come on. It's the same thing. Some translations call Hell, Hades or Gehenna, some call it Hell. It's the same with Paradise/ Heaven.

Same thing. The meanings are the same.

So some people do go to heaven before the judgment?

Well Christ did, and supposedly the saints did too, but I am totally uncertain about the saint thing. My Born Again Christian Baptist friend mentioned someone else, but I am not sure because he is wrong with about 70% of everything he argues about anyway.  ;D


Anyhow.... never mind. Cool crystals. I wonder if we will discover some that are even more immense someday. I found the discovery totally facinating!


Also, I totally proved that I was not just making stuff up. I believe I deserve some credit for that. Is that fair?
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Re: Giant Crystal Cave (Holy ****)
« Reply #144 on: October 07, 2008, 12:00:34 PM »
Have you ever thought that the people that are going to end up in hell might just BELONG there? Stallin, Pol Pot, you know?

f**k them if they are going to end up in Hell.
I would not wish hell on anyone. Nothing that a human could possibly do would make them deserve what is described in the Bible as hell.