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another shooting in Church
« on: February 28, 2016, 05:58:35 PM »
yahweh and jesus and the holy spirit sit by idly and do nothing.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/28/pastor-shot-at-ohio-church.html

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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2016, 06:04:16 PM »
It is somewhat unfortunate that The Trinity cannot be where there is sin, otherwise they would have interfered - really, they would have. Of course, we can rest assured that this was all part of God's Plan and, according to that Plan, the right man was shot and not only that but to the exactly right extent.

As far as I can recall, the last person to be murdered in a church in England was Thomas a Becket in 1170 - and that was said to have been a mistake. Of course Scotland is a different matter, they were still killing people in churches in 1306 when Robert the Bruce killed John Comyn, Lord of Badenoch in  Greyfriars Kirk.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2016, 06:12:44 PM by Graybeard »
Nobody says “There are many things that we thought were natural processes, but now know that a god did them.”

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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2016, 06:12:57 PM »
It is somewhat unfortunate that The Trinity cannot be where there is sin, otherwise they would have interfered - really, they would have. Of course, we can rest assured that this was all part of God's Plan and, according to that Plan, the right man was shot and not only that but to the exactly right extent.

As far as I can recall, the last person to be murdered in a church in England was Thomas a Becket in 1170. Of course Scotland is a different matter, they were still killing people in churches in 1306 when Robert the Bruce killed John Comyn, Lord of Badenoch in  Greyfriars Kirk.

American society is scary. Very scary.

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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2016, 01:47:48 AM »

American society is scary. Very scary.

Now, you guys understand what I'm talking about. We live in an era of unprecedented sin.
Matthew 10:22 "and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved." - Jesus (said 2,000 years ago and still true today.)

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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2016, 04:43:18 AM »
We live in yet another era, like every era since adam of the callousness of your God.
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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2016, 05:02:09 AM »
Now, you guys understand what I'm talking about. We live in an era of unprecedented sin.

I'm glad you're here to warn us about it then! I mean, it's not like complaints like that have been tossed around since the dawn of human society by nearly every single old person.
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The indecent foreign dance called the Waltz was introduced ... at the English Court on Friday last ... It is quite sufficient to cast one's eyes on the voluptuous intertwining of the limbs, and close compressure of the bodies ... to see that it is far indeed removed from the modest reserve which has hitherto been considered distinctive of English females...[Now that it is] forced on the respectable classes of society by the evil example of their superiors, we feel it a duty to warn every parent against exposing his daughter to so fatal a contagion.
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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2016, 05:42:35 AM »

American society is scary. Very scary.

Now, you guys understand what I'm talking about. We live in an era of unprecedented sin.

Not quite. Back in biblical days even yahweh got in on the child rape culture, so sin was worse then. I just mean loons with guns.

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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2016, 06:22:57 AM »

American society is scary. Very scary.

Now, you guys understand what I'm talking about. We live in an era of unprecedented sin.

Most interesting - do you have a link to the statistics on that?

http://blogs.berkeley.edu/2010/06/16/a-crime-puzzle-violent-crime-declines-in-america/



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« Last Edit: February 29, 2016, 06:43:53 AM by Graybeard »
Nobody says “There are many things that we thought were natural processes, but now know that a god did them.”

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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2016, 06:45:49 AM »

American society is scary. Very scary.

Now, you guys understand what I'm talking about. We live in an era of unprecedented sin.

Most interesting - do you have a link to the statistics on that?

Sort of statistics - he believes whatever he comes up with therefore if you looked for official statistics they obviously would support whatever he thinks, if not its a liberal conspiracy to suppress the truth.
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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2016, 01:35:46 PM »
Now, you guys understand what I'm talking about. We live in an era of unprecedented sin.

Would you agree our era is worse than Sodom and Gomorrah?
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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2016, 03:39:45 PM »

American society is scary. Very scary.

Now, you guys understand what I'm talking about. We live in an era of unprecedented sin.

No, we don't. Take a moment to google some information on crime, disease, wars, etc. If you're honest, you will report back that we actually live in a time where these things are greatly improved over times of the past. Can you do that, and be honest on what you find? Do you know how to find reliable information on such things?  For example, search for a Youtube video on a channel called Vox for a video about wars (hint: three big reasons war is going away).

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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2016, 05:01:16 PM »

American society is scary. Very scary.

Now, you guys understand what I'm talking about. We live in an era of unprecedented sin.

Can you give an explanation for why god did not intervene in this situation?

I get the feeling that was the point of this thread.  I'm fairly certain that The Gawd knows the answer that most atheists would give to that question: god didn't intervene because non-existent entities cannot intervene.  But why do you think god didn't intervene?  If you're going to say something about 'free will', I'm going to expect an explanation regarding in what ways god's intervention would be interfering with 'free will'.
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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2016, 07:16:06 PM »
If god fixed things, skeptic would not be able to say we live in an era of unprecedented sin. And don't confuse him with the facts. Those statistics showing dropping rates of crime are lies produced by the communist government and by scientists guided by Satan. &)
If people really believed in god's will they would not buy insurance.

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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2016, 04:59:03 PM »
Now, you guys understand what I'm talking about. We live in an era of unprecedented sin.
Yeah, unprecedentedly low sin.
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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2016, 02:44:42 PM »
Another another shooting in church: Get outta that seat or I'll shoo-tcha!

Spoiler alert: both parties were being ridiculous, even for church-goers.
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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2016, 04:03:40 PM »
Another another shooting in church: Get outta that seat or I'll shoo-tcha!

Spoiler alert: both parties were being ridiculous, even for church-goers.

Both parties were being ridiculous even for baboons.  Or meth-heads.  Or evil stupid assholes.

Fuck people like this.  Jesus fucking Christ.  This is what happens when fucking machismo and 'being a badass' is socially valued.
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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2016, 04:18:17 PM »
Awful...

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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2016, 05:04:20 PM »
Love is patient love is kind, unless you're in a building to worship the god of love and find yourself fighting over seating arrangements in which case shoot the bastard.  I'm pretty sure that's how it goes.
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Re: another shooting in Church
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2016, 06:39:02 PM »

American society is scary. Very scary.

Now, you guys understand what I'm talking about. We live in an era of unprecedented sin.

and unprecedented impotence by your god.  Poor thing.  At one time good ol' God would kill a man for keeping his magic box upright and now, he lets people kill each other in church, let godly men commit embezzlement, let godly men rape children.   

But, ah, he can appear on toast and stains. 
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