Site a modern source in which christians use the bible to kill people. Mine is pretty heavy, but don't think so.
I do enjoy it when a Christian wants to declare a statute of limitations on the Bible. But you want a "modern source", I'm happy to give more than one to you. Matthew Shepard, George Tiller, Robert Sanderson, Shannon Lowey, Lee Ann Nichols, various massacres of Native Americans as Christians decided that North America was to be "theirs", etc. I can go on, shall I?
The answer for your question concerning Romans 9 is clearly stated within it. You were referring to the " vessels of wrath " correct?
Ah, the usual claims that something is "clearly stated" when it seems that the Christian can't answer on his own and must hope that anyone questioning him will believe what he claims with no questions. Sorry, but where is an answer to my question "BTW, if you want to say free will, that's fine but consider, why was there constant interference by god in the Bible and how does that not affect free will and how does Romans 9, where it says God creates some people just to be destroyed, affect that too?" clearly stated within Romans 9. Please do point it out.
I'll be happy to answer your question. What you say does not matter to me at all, because it is a lie.
You want to call me a liar? Okay, show me where I've lied.
You cannot provide concrete proof of it. Such a statement is an insult to your intelligence.
You made the claim that "really not important how you or I came to our conclusions when interpreting the scripture at hand". IF this is what you really feel, then why so offended when I ask *if* it truly isn't important, does it matter to you if your Jesus never really existed and that you really aren't saved that you have no "heaven" to go to, that you are indeed only stuck with living a charitable life here on this one and only earth? and thanks for the veiled insult. I see nothing about my question to be insulting to my intelligence at all since there is no evidence of your Jesus or God. You have no concrete proof of your claims. I can at least point to the total dearth of evidence for your myths.
Do you mean to tell me that Jesus Christ did not come in the flesh? Assuming He didn't, how could
such an imaginary character gain so much fame and reverence?
How could Krishna? How could Ameratsu? How could any deity that has been claimed to have existed? Humans create deities to explain the world and they try to control their world by placating these supposed entities. Humans have evolved to see "intent" behind things because that helps us interact, but it gets misplaced when we assume intent behind natural disasters, etc.
Paul the apostle had a prophecy about this in Romans no less. He said that the knowledge and fame of Him and his name would cover the entire earth, it is indeed evident that it came to pass. Not bad for a fairy tale huh?
I'm not quite sure where it says in Romans where knowledge and fame of god/jesus would cover the entire earth. But for Paul, who supposedly traveled around quite a bit in the "known world" of the Roman Empire, this claim isn't much and he even claims that the faith of the Romans is "8First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world." Really, in China? In North America? It's a good guess based on his own experiences, but limited by those too. No need for any magical prophecying at all. Paul wanted to claim something for his religion that was impressive. And thought it was already happening, not to happen in some future time.
I do wonder about such "prophecies" and how Christians pick and choose them. let's look at another prophecy from Paul "Romans 13:11And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed." And hmmm, how long has it been now? over 2000 years. So much for being "nearer". I do enjoy your claim that "everyone knows who Jesus is" when your fellow Christians often claim that they don't and that's why there is no "end times" nonsense happening.
Finally, it doesn't suprise me at all that we've ended up at the whine of "but but, those aren't TrueChristianstm
" when someone points out your violent vile brethern.