I never meant to give the impression non-violence is a force field. I know it's not. Men got killed 9 I think unarmed men got killed at Carnegie Steel. My point is the public reaction from innocent men dying is what eventually moved labor laws forward.
This is what I am against. People deserve to be safe and have rights regardless of whether the "public" comes to their aid. Doing it this way creates extra victims AND makes it so if there is no violence perpetuated then there hypothetically is no issue. They could have let marchers march/protesters protest and did nothing then the public never steps in and the laws never change. Then what do we have?
I'm a lesbian I've been begging for a seat at the table for a long time. Some people will let you sit down and some people won't. If I kill them I'll never sit there.
How has the begging been working? Let's make the analogy more literal. Let's say I bring you to my house for Thanksgiving. But when you arrive I make it clear that you actually aren't welcome in my home and I don't let you eat at the table with the rest of the family and friends instead I put you in the basement and feed you scraps. Would you really beg us to be able to come eat at the table with us?
Dawg I'm so deeply sorry that happened to you. You know what I've been man handled by the cops when I should have just cooperated. On a separate occasion I was tossed around like a piece of popcorn on the trip home from King's Mnt after my suicide attempt in 2015. The sheriff drove 50 mph in a 35 mph zone on a dragon tail mnt rd. There were no seat belts to hold me down. I had to use my right arm that has lymphodema in it to hold myself there for an hour and a half. I begged him to slow down. It may have been 2-3 months later I hear the news about the black guy that died from that shit. The cop driving was black.
Sorry to hear about your experience as well. However, we don't need to keep being sorry that this happens. Something just needs to be done about it. Right now people are doing something, and yes they're dying in doing so, but it is working. They have the "good cops" starting to speak out because they're afraid of being killed. Once they start taking action it will be better. The race of the cop is actually inconsequential.
I know there are some systemic reasons for black poor neighborhoods but there also has to be some personal accountability, IMHO. There are very good reasons dominoes won't deliver to the "Hood". It's a violent place. Even in small cities like my Asheville. It's been glorified by gangsta rap and gangsta movies.
Those conditions existed before 'gangsta rap' believe me. If the conditions for 'gangsta rap' didn't exist there wouldn't be 'gangsta rap'. To attempt to blame an artform for the failure of public policy and the results of centuries of societies failures doesn't take the issue seriously. Of course people have to take personal accountability for their actions, but that doesn't address the actual reality that we are looking at the results of past policies. There is no getting around that. Just because some token people make it out clearly doesn't mean it is likely. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html
this is an article about economic mobility. Researchers show that it simply isn't likely that one changes their position. So if you start at the bottom the chances are that you remain on the bottom. And poverty is the cause of violence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood,_Tulsa#The_Black_Wall_Street
This is a wiki on Black Wall Street, it is an example of what the country did when people were actually becoming successful and moving up. No one ever talks to the oppressors about "personal accountability" you never hear about the police cracking down on these people, the people who took selfies at scenes of lynchings didn't seem to be worried about prosecution or being held accountable. Really, imagine how life would be different here if they were. That's why even though I agree with personal accountability, I still laugh it off as an argument.
My take on trigger happy cops is they are afraid really really afraid and should not be cops.
Agreed, they are scared and should not be police. But say there's two or more police on the scene and one shoots and kills whatever suspect they are trying to apprehend and the others saw no need to. The shooter just became a criminal and the others need to treat him the same way they would treat me if I gunned down a man in front of them. They don't.