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Offline Jontom10

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Evolution of the eye
« on: August 26, 2015, 10:27:59 AM »
Always a go to for creationists. Eye too complex yadda yadda tornado in a scrapyard makes a jumbojet randomly blah blah.

easy to understand when you have a decent concept of time and how evolution works but this is interesting...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150701133348.htm

Many of the components recognisable in eyes contained within a single celled plankton.
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Re: Evolution of the eye
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2015, 10:36:33 AM »
Yeah, but that is science.
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Re: Evolution of the eye
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2015, 11:26:39 AM »
Always a go to for creationists. Eye too complex yadda yadda tornado in a scrapyard makes a jumbojet randomly blah blah.

easy to understand when you have a decent concept of time and how evolution works but this is interesting...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150701133348.htm

Many of the components recognisable in eyes contained within a single celled plankton.
Okay, Christians. Let's grant your ridiculous claim that God created the wonderfully complex eye. Now, predators have predator-eyes and prey have prey-eyes to use accordingly. Some humans' eyes don't work properly, if at all.

The more capable you beef up your imaginary Creator to be, the more of a sadistic prick he sounds to anyone with the slightest concept of logic.

Jeez.

And, here's the thing we keep trying to get through your fucking skulls, and you totally ignore like fucking idiots:

If anything that is complex must have a Creator, your God must have a Creator.

Jeez.
Enough with your bullshit.
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Re: Evolution of the eye
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2015, 11:58:20 AM »
^^^Isn't that the part they keep glossing over?

The eye is too complex to have just appeared out of nowhere. And the eye could not have always been there, because there are obviously primitive creatures without advanced eyes. Therefore something more complex than the eye made the eye. [Huge leap from attempt at solving problem with reality-based logic into artificial pseudo-solution of theism] That something is god. [Huh? Why?]

God is even more complex than the eye, far too complex to have just appeared out of nowhere. And god could not have always been there, because there are obviously primitive people without advanced gods. Therefore something more complex than god made god. That something is _______.

So who/what made the god?
 
Well nothing, because god was always there.
 
You just said that complex things had to come from somewhere. God is complex, right? So, where did god come from?

Nowhere. He was always there. God is the uncaused cause. God is the prime mover.

How do you know all that?
 
It goes without saying.

You got that right.  &)
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: Evolution of the eye
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2015, 12:51:31 PM »
No matter how many steps back there are in a regression, even if infinite, the ultimate source can always be ". . . because things are the way they are".

1. Some features on some creatures evolve in relation to light because things are the way they are.

2. Some features on some creatures evolve in relation to light because there is a being who purposely set the process in motion. That being existed because things are the way they are.

3. Some features on some creatures evolve in relation to light because there is a being who purposely set the process in motion. That being existed because another being purposely set processes in motion to create that being. The being who created the processes that led to the other being existed because things are the way they are.

Christians are stuck at #2 because some unsubstantiated story told them so. Well, why can't they see the much more plausible explanation? "People tell bullshit stories because things are the way they are."
Enough with your bullshit.
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Re: Evolution of the eye
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2015, 06:48:25 PM »
They just can't see.
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Re: Evolution of the eye
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2015, 08:28:10 PM »
They just can't see.

Maybe it's the plank that evolved in their eyes?
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.