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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #261 on: September 11, 2010, 08:54:49 AM »
Wow! Talk about kookoo for cocoa puffs!
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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #262 on: September 11, 2010, 10:34:26 AM »
I like how WBC dropped the little line

"media is invited"

It's almost as if they are starved for attention...  :shrug I was watching either Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddow (can't remember which) and they said WBC burned the Koran 2 years ago on 9/11 and no one really cared they did it, then they went on to say the WBC is just jealous of the attention Terry Jones is getting which is why they are going to burn it again. When WBC does something like this it's expected. You don't want it to be done but when it is it's like, "oh, those WBC guys are at it again..." then just walk away ignoring it. Wonder what the media turn out will be like in Topeka. I doubt MSNBC, CNN  or other national news networks will show up. Probably all WBC will get it a short 2 minute segment on the five o'clock local news (if that). They wont be making head lines like Dove Church would if Jones had gone through with this burning.

I mean, WBC is kind of like Guns and Roses. You expect Axl Rose to be a complete dick and show up 2 hours late to a performance and when he is and dick and shows up late it's like, eh whatever. OK, i ranted.
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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #263 on: September 11, 2010, 11:35:45 AM »
They should have been ignoring Terry Jones, too. He is no more significant than the WBC...his church has 50 members!

Thanks to our idiotic, sensation-driven media, this clown is now a national figure, and has leading political and religious figures jumping through hoops, while half the world looks on...

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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #264 on: September 11, 2010, 12:04:40 PM »
They should have been ignoring Terry Jones, too. He is no more significant than the WBC...his church has 50 members!

Thanks to our idiotic, sensation-driven media, this clown is now a national figure, and has leading political and religious figures jumping through hoops, while half the world looks on...

Indeed.  I personally think the pastor, once the ball started rolling, became drunk with sudden fame, and rolled with it.  Not an excuse, mind you, but I believe a factor that simply egged him forward.  He could be literally thinking that many Christians are in support of him.  As deluded as he is in thinking that the burning is going to show almighty God's hatred of Islam, he seems to also fail at understanding that their god is the same as his!

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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #265 on: September 11, 2010, 05:51:45 PM »
Hitchens had a piece in Slate last monday on this whole thing.  As per usual, he types a lot but doesn't really say much of anything besides "I think religion is stupid and uselss", which is not a terrible point to make.

http://www.slate.com/id/2266154/

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The taming and domestication of religious faith is one of the unceasing chores of civilization.

A recent blizzard of liberal columns has framed the debate over American Islam as if it were no more than the most recent stage in the glorious history of our religious tolerance. This phrasing of the question has the (presumably intentional) effect of marginalizing doubts and of lumping any doubters with the anti-Catholic Know-Nothings, the anti-Semites, and other bigots and shellbacks. So I pause to take part in a thought experiment, and to ask myself: Am I in favor of the untrammeled "free exercise of religion"?

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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #266 on: September 11, 2010, 06:18:24 PM »
A guy burned some pages of the Koran today at the 9/11 events -

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRcUdruhgyw&feature=player_embedded&skipcontrinter=1[/youtube]

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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #267 on: September 11, 2010, 06:28:25 PM »
A guy burned some pages of the Koran today at the 9/11 events -

That guy is so, so STUPID! How I'd like to land my fist on his smugly face. And I don't even agree with voilence of any kind (except maybe self defence...), so I wonder if he has any idea of what he may have just triggered. What a F#&CKWIT!

Edit: Okay a few deep breaths and calm is restored... I still think he's a total F#&CKWIT though.


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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #268 on: September 11, 2010, 06:38:05 PM »
No, if it was going to happen, that was by far the best way.

No statements, no slogans, no threats, no hatred, no organization, no safety in numbers - just one person, a book and a lighter, exercizing his constitutional right to self-expression.

And doing so calmly and assertively; he was being seriously provoked and abused as he walked along, he was accused of being Hitler, he was accused of being a murderer. I admired the way he refused to respond, because he was demonstrating that provocation can be resisted, which is one of the issues.
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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #269 on: September 11, 2010, 07:06:30 PM »
No statements, no slogans, no threats, no hatred, no organization

It's a statement in itself. And going to ground zero, on the anniversary is definitely "organized", but I gather you mean affiliation.

And doing so calmly and assertively

Just like a psychopath can calmly and assertively kill someone without showing emotion.

he was being seriously provoked and abused as he walked along,

And what he was doing wasn't a provocation?

he was demonstrating that provocation can be resisted, which is one of the issues.

Well the best way to demonstrate that, would be to do nothing in the first place, as it's relating to the provocative events of 9/11 is it not?


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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #270 on: September 11, 2010, 07:11:18 PM »
I collect bibles when I stay in hotels and burn them later.  No media coverage.  No hubub.  Just a few less bibles in the world.
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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #271 on: September 11, 2010, 07:15:07 PM »
IMHO Jack Balkin, who wrote the article below, is full of shit. It wasn't public opinion that caused the Pastor to stop, he was eating public opinion for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. It was the message from the FBI that his life would be in danger if he went ahead with it. And since when does "public opinion" include the President of the United States and Army Generals?

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Editor's note: Jack M. Balkin is Knight Professor of Constitutional Law and the First Amendment at Yale Law School. His latest book, edited with Reva B. Siegel, is "The Constitution in 2020." He blogs at Balkinization.

(CNN) -- The Rev. Terry Jones, the leader of a small congregation in Florida, recently announced he would burn copies of the Quran on September 11. A broad spectrum of figures in public life, including President Barack Obama and Gen. David Petraeus, urged him not to.

And soon, he said he wouldn't, offering a face-saving excuse.

What explains this turn of events? The answer could well be the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, the very same amendment that protects Jones' freedom of speech. The First Amendment allows -- in fact it encourages -- people to disagree with what Jones planned and to condemn it in public.

Whether one likes it or not, Jones has a First Amendment right to burn the Quran if he wants to. In 1989, the Supreme Court overturned a criminal conviction for burning an American flag, despite concerns that it would greatly offend people, including American veterans. If you can't be punished for burning an American flag, it's hard to see how the government could punish you for burning the Quran, the Bible or any other venerated object you own. And, unlike a Klansman who burns a cross on a black family's lawn, Jones was not threatening violence, which is unprotected by the First Amendment.

And yet, despite the government's inability to impose any kind of sanction, Jones stood down -- for now at least. The reasons why tell us a lot about how the American system of freedom of expression works in practice.

Public opinion may be a far more effective remedy than legal sanction; a criminal prosecution might have made Jones a martyr to his followers. Under the force of public reason he was shown for what he was -- a petty bigot.

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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #272 on: September 11, 2010, 07:57:25 PM »
he was demonstrating that provocation can be resisted, which is one of the issues.

Well the best way to demonstrate that, would be to do nothing in the first place, as it's relating to the provocative events of 9/11 is it not?
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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #273 on: September 11, 2010, 08:14:26 PM »
Eddy:
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It's a statement in itself.
But it's a statement open to interpretation. We don't know who that guy is or his motivation. But we can speculate and project on to him.

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Just like a psychopath can calmly and assertively kill someone without showing emotion.
That's quite a diagnosis considering the little information at your disposal. But call him a psycho if it makes you feel better. Just like The New York Post called him hate-filled:
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A hate-filled protester was escorted away from the Ground Zero mosque site this morning after tearing apart a Koran and burning some of the pages -
Personally I'd have to watch that film for a very long time before the phrase hate-filled popped into my head.

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And what he was doing wasn't a provocation?
It was, but so what? He was dishing it out, but also demonstrating that he could take it.

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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #274 on: September 11, 2010, 08:16:18 PM »
I collect bibles when I stay in hotels and burn them later.  No media coverage.  No hubub.  Just a few less bibles in the world.
One of our posters (can't remember who) use to say that he would write "fiction" on the inside of each bible he found in a hotel room.
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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #275 on: September 11, 2010, 09:30:37 PM »
Eddy:
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It's a statement in itself.
But it's a statement open to interpretation. We don't know who that guy is or his motivation. But we can speculate and project on to him.
Yes. My projection is that he's an idiot, lacking style and originality. Even if it was an artist making a statement, I still think it's lacking style. And yes, that's just my opinion.

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Just like a psychopath can calmly and assertively kill someone without showing emotion.
That's quite a diagnosis considering the little information at your disposal. But call him a psycho if it makes you feel better. Just like The New York Post called him hate-filled:
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A hate-filled protester was escorted away from the Ground Zero mosque site this morning after tearing apart a Koran and burning some of the pages -
Personally I'd have to watch that film for a very long time before the phrase hate-filled popped into my head.

No, it's not a diagnosis, it's a comparison. As for the New York Post, meh, that's just bad reporting.
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And what he was doing wasn't a provocation?
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It was, but so what? He was dishing it out, but also demonstrating that he could take it.
Well, we can also speculate as to what he intended to demonstrate. Afterall he could have been so caught up in his  actions that he didn't hear any of the provocative remarks being made towards him. How can we tell?

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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #276 on: September 12, 2010, 08:03:59 AM »
As for the New York Post, meh, that's just bad reporting.

It's also very ironic. The New York Post is part of the Murdoch media stable, basically a sister publication to Fox News. It's been riling people up with shameless anti-Muslim demagoguery on this issue for months now. They've been calling the moderate American imam a terrorist-lover and Muslim supremacist who wants to impose sharia law on the US.

Yet suddenly Pastor Jones is a "wacko" and this poor schlep is "hate-filled." They're quickly dodging responsibility for the very forces they've been unleashing and promoting. It's almost like they're saying to their readers "Hey, you're not supposed to take the shit we print SERIOUSLY!"

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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #277 on: September 12, 2010, 09:26:22 AM »
he was demonstrating that provocation can be resisted, which is one of the issues.

Well the best way to demonstrate that, would be to do nothing in the first place, as it's relating to the provocative events of 9/11 is it not?
I think it's 100% subjective.  Both can be effective and ineffective, applauded and reviled.

Yeah I can see that. But I don't see the point in pushing peoples buttons in such a volatile subject, considering the potential consequences. I also feel the need to mention that I don't see the point in any kind of retaliation, particularly from some fanatical nutter. But unfortunately, the game is open.
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« Reply #278 on: September 12, 2010, 09:33:13 AM »
They're quickly dodging responsibility for the very forces they've been unleashing and promoting. It's almost like they're saying to their readers "Hey, you're not supposed to take the shit we print SERIOUSLY!"
But the flock will blindly follow. *sigh*
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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #279 on: September 12, 2010, 10:24:45 AM »
They should have been ignoring Terry Jones, too. He is no more significant than the WBC...his church has 50 members!

Thanks to our idiotic, sensation-driven media, this clown is now a national figure, and has leading political and religious figures jumping through hoops, while half the world looks on...

Indeed.  I personally think the pastor, once the ball started rolling, became drunk with sudden fame, and rolled with it.  Not an excuse, mind you, but I believe a factor that simply egged him forward.  He could be literally thinking that many Christians are in support of him.  As deluded as he is in thinking that the burning is going to show almighty God's hatred of Islam, he seems to also fail at understanding that their god is the same as his!

Atheists are spectators in a grand battle of stupid ideas.  Sadly, these ideas get people killed in the name of a loving god on both sides of the delusion.


This so sums up how I feel!  And the whole reason I started pecking about on the net for like minds.  After watching the news recently, I stomped away from the TV and immediately googled 'God Damn Religion!', in frustration ..... and look where I ended up  ;D
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« Reply #280 on: September 12, 2010, 10:50:53 AM »
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But I don't see the point in pushing peoples buttons in such a volatile subject, considering the potential consequences.

(Note: this is an analogous thought-experiment, not how I really feel or think, obviously)

Eddy, I want you to stop posting in this thread. If you don't, I'm going to find you and use extreme violence on you. I'm a very volatile person, I'm quick to anger, and I usually get violent when I'm angry. If you post again on this thread, I won't be responsible for my actions because I simply won't be able to control myself. I've given you fair warning, so you'll only have yourself to blame if you get hurt.

So what are you going to do?

A: Push my buttons by posting again, or

B: Abandon your constitutional right to free speech and walk away, as I've told you to do?


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If you'd choose option A (which I assume you would), what would your reasons be for so doing?

(Obviously you'd also Report me to the Mods and maybe the police, but that doesn't alter the fact that you still have to decide whether to post again or not).
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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #281 on: September 12, 2010, 11:21:16 AM »
This so sums up how I feel!  And the whole reason I started pecking about on the net for like minds.  After watching the news recently, I stomped away from the TV and immediately googled 'God Damn Religion!', in frustration ..... and look where I ended up  ;D

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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #282 on: September 12, 2010, 07:33:43 PM »
(Note: this is an analogous thought-experiment, not how I really feel or think, obviously)

I must admit, initially my eyes jumped straight to the italicized text, and for a moment there I flinched.  ;D

But okay, I'll submit my mind as guinea pig for this thought experiment.

Eddy, I want you to stop posting in this thread. If you don't, I'm going to find you and use extreme violence on you. I'm a very volatile person, I'm quick to anger, and I usually get violent when I'm angry. If you post again on this thread, I won't be responsible for my actions because I simply won't be able to control myself. I've given you fair warning, so you'll only have yourself to blame if you get hurt.

So what are you going to do?

A: Push my buttons by posting again, or

B: Abandon your constitutional right to free speech and walk away, as I've told you to do?


Well, I think there are many variables to this, it's not so black and white.

For instance, I'd have to see evidence that you've inflicted violence on others in the past, I could do this by PMing other "neutral" users that have been on the site for as long as you (or have a similar post count). If the replies were along the lines of "No, he's full of it" then I would probably post again, no qualms. So in this case option A.

If the replies were "Yeah, look out for that nutter!" then I'd want to know if your violent tendencies were always directed solely at the instigator (in this case, the instigation being if I were to reply to the above "threats") lets call that scenario 1, or, if you tended to go on a rampage, and started hacking and slaying innocent bystanders on your way through to me (maybe because they're called Eddy, or have a similar writing style etc, or maybe just because they are there) that being scenario 2.

Scenario 1: Straight away the school boy in me would want to say "bring it on punk!"  (I too suffer from the human condition) but a few deep breaths and I'd hope to have calmed myself. However if the thread was about something I was passionate about, and vital to my place in the universe then I'd probably go with option A; I think it's important to defend your place in the universe. So then I'd start preparing to physically defend myself, remember in this scenario it's only you and I about to go to blows. (On a side note, do you think the burning of the Koran at the 9/11 event was offence or defence?)

Scenario 2: Well I'd seriously consider walking away, feeling the bigger man because of it (obviously reporting you to the mods and police is a given). I would despise myself if I became directly/indirectly responsible for the serious harm/death of innocent people (this is inherent to my stance in the universe). So in this case option B. But by choosing option B, I've opened up a whole other set of options:
 
1) Applying my right to freedom of speech, I could start a new thread entirely, being any one of a myriad of topics, but in this case probably one about the benefits of peaceful negotiation, and I'd just hope you'd read it, and get it.

2) I could PM you directly, (there is no set of instructions in the above threat that says anything about PMing you) and try to resolve it that way. The pride part of me would want to avoid a grovelling apology, but if I had posted something that directly offended/threatened your stance in the universe, then hey if a grovelling apology is what it took to have an end result of "no harm done" then I may consider it (I stress the word may).

I could no doubt think of more, but it's morning here, and my brain is still waking up.

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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #283 on: September 12, 2010, 08:27:11 PM »
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I must admit, initially my eyes jumped straight to the italicized text, and for a moment there I flinched.  ;D

Sorry about that ;D. Originally I was going to present the thought-experiment without the explanation. Then I actually thought, no, he might have a heart-attack or something, better warn him!

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2:25am here, so later...

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On a side note, do you think the burning of the Koran at the 9/11 event was offence or defence?)
Actually, I think this is central to my thought-experiment. I believe he was responding to being told by a bunch of aggressive Afghans not to burn their book - something which he has the constitutional right to do. Hence, in the thought-experiment, he's taking option A, F**k off, you can't tell me what to do in my own country, and bring it on, punk.

(The reason I think this is that he was quoted as saying, If they can burn American flags, I can burn the Quran. Americans should never be afraid to give their opinion).

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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #284 on: September 12, 2010, 09:08:50 PM »
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Eddy, I'm back, and I'm pissed. You made me stay up past my bedtime, and I'm gonna be late for Charm School tomorrow. That's the kind of thing I don't forget.

Got a new offer for you, Eddy. First, I gotta tell you something; in the last scenario, I said I was going to track you down. Now I could do that, because I know how to make people talk. You understand what I mean, Eddy? I hope you don't.

But here's the thing; you can't track me down, no way. Certain people have been looking for me for a long time; can't be done. So forget your mods and your police, they can't help you now.

Here's the deal. I want you to send me $500. If you don't, I'm going to go out and mug an old lady, and take her money. And I'm going to kill her kitten. Because I don't like kittens.

And if she doesn't have $500, I'm going to mug another old lady, and kill her kitten, and so on, until I have $500.

It's up to you, Eddy. It's in your hands. Five hundred bucks ain't much, and you're gonna make a lot of old ladies very, very happy. And I bet you love kittens.

So just pay up, and that'll be the end of the matter.

Until next month.

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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #285 on: September 12, 2010, 09:36:07 PM »
Don't worry about Gnu, Eddy. He's actually a quadriplegic. lol j/k
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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #286 on: September 12, 2010, 10:05:17 PM »
[maniac]

Eddy, I'm back, and I'm pissed. You made me stay up past my bedtime, and I'm gonna be late for Charm School tomorrow. That's the kind of thing I don't forget.

Got a new offer for you, Eddy. First, I gotta tell you something; in the last scenario, I said I was going to track you down. Now I could do that, because I know how to make people talk. You understand what I mean, Eddy? I hope you don't.

But here's the thing; you can't track me down, no way. Certain people have been looking for me for a long time; can't be done. So forget your mods and your police, they can't help you now.

Here's the deal. I want you to send me $500. If you don't, I'm going to go out and mug an old lady, and take her money. And I'm going to kill her kitten. Because I don't like kittens.

And if she doesn't have $500, I'm going to mug another old lady, and kill her kitten, and so on, until I have $500.

It's up to you, Eddy. It's in your hands. Five hundred bucks ain't much, and you're gonna make a lot of old ladies very, very happy. And I bet you love kittens.

So just pay up, and that'll be the end of the matter.

Until next month.

What do you say, Eddy?


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I just skipped to the last page first time into this topic, and this is what I saw.

Having no context for it, not having a clue who Eddy is, or what's going on...

I can't stop laughing. I seriously think this melted a part of my brain. Goodnight everybody. I love you all. <wipes away tear>
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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #287 on: September 12, 2010, 11:37:53 PM »
What do you say, Eddy?

I gather Mr Maniac, that you are now allowing me to reply?

Eddy, I'm back, and I'm pissed. You made me stay up past my bedtime, and I'm gonna be late for Charm School tomorrow. That's the kind of thing I don't forget.

Hey, I didn't make you do anything, I didn't even politely ask you to stay up past your bedtime. You're welcome to ignore me until you are well slumbered, that's entirely up to you. Next time, don't forget to get a good night sleep.

Got a new offer for you, Eddy. First, I gotta tell you something; in the last scenario, I said I was going to track you down. Now I could do that, because I know how to make people talk. You understand what I mean, Eddy? I hope you don't.

But here's the thing; you can't track me down, no way. Certain people have been looking for me for a long time; can't be done. So forget your mods and your police, they can't help you now.

Here's the deal. I want you to send me $500. If you don't, I'm going to go out and mug an old lady, and take her money. And I'm going to kill her kitten. Because I don't like kittens.

And if she doesn't have $500, I'm going to mug another old lady, and kill her kitten, and so on, until I have $500.

I like this, it reminds me of Ali G's threat of telling a vegetarian to "Eat this chicken, or I'll kill another chicken!".

School boy response: Don't back me into a corner buddy, you wanna get personal? I know people that know people that can make people talk too.
 
Reality Response: I don't have $500 to give you, let alone $500 for my own use, my funds are limited. For me to get $500 I'd have to go and mug an old lady, and I'm not going to do that. Now you are aware of that, you should also know that mugging old ladies rests entirely upon your shoulders, not my fault/problem, it's your choice, and there's no way I can stop you. Next time, try this approach on someone who has money, the outcome might be more fruitful for you.
 
I'm going to kill her kitten. Because I don't like kittens.

What's that got to do with me?

And I bet you love kittens.

Yes, I love kittens to death. ;)

you're gonna make a lot of old ladies very, very happy.

Maybe I already do (not like that ya perv!).

-Anyway, it's an interesting conundrum. I would only hope I could logically talk Mr Maniac down from his madness.

Keep it coming though, if you like, as I'm enjoying this.







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Offline Eddy Swirl

Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #288 on: September 13, 2010, 01:26:14 AM »
Don't worry about Gnu, Eddy. He's actually a quadriplegic. lol j/k

Well even if that were true, I'd still consider him a wily ol' bugger quite capable of picking a fight in the playground.  :)
« Last Edit: September 13, 2010, 01:31:56 AM by Eddy Swirl »
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Re: Koran burning planned on 9-11
« Reply #289 on: September 13, 2010, 07:23:49 AM »
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Australian lawyer smokes pages of Bible and Koran, asking 'Which is best?'

An Australian lawyer, Alex Stewart, has smoked pages torn from the Koran and the Bible, posting the video on YouTube just days after an American Pastor's threat to burn the Muslim holy book caused worldwide outrage. In a 12-minute clip entitled "Bible or Koran – which burns best?" Mr Stewart, who works for the Queensland University of Technology, holds up the two religious texts before ripping them apart and lighting the rolled up pages.

At one stage he inhales deeply from one of the roll-ups before blowing out the smoke and commenting: "Holy". The video, which has since been deleted, was posted on the video-sharing site over the weekend, coinciding with the ninth anniversary of the September 11 attacks. Last week Terry Jones, a controversial Christian preacher who presides over a small church in Florida, drew international condemnation after announcing a plan to burn 200 copies of the Koran.

"With respect to books like the Bible and the Koran, whatever, just get over it," Mr Stewart said in the footage. "The video was a joke video, of course," he added. "People do this stuff all the time and if people get really upset about this then they're taking it far too seriously." Mr Stewart, a member of an atheist group in Brisbane, has begun a period of leave following a meeting with his employers today. He insists he wasn't smoking drugs in the video but had sprinkled grass cuttings into the rolled up pages.

"The university is obviously extremely, extremely unhappy and disappointed that this sort of incident should occur," Queensland University of Technology vice-chancellor Peter Coaldrake said. Islamic groups urged Muslims not to react to the provocation

"There is no need for this kind of thing, just to create disunity and disharmony among people living in Australia," said Sheik Muhammad Wahid, president of the Islamic Association of Australia.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/7999250/Australian-lawyer-smokes-pages-of-Bible-and-Koran-asking-Which-is-best.html


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