Glad to see this topic is finally in the bottomless pit where it belongs.Are we in the pit now?
Great. I've spent some of my happiest hours on WWGHA wallowing in the pit.
I second this!
Agent40 and I got real down and dirty here, I swear there was a sex thing going on - but that was probably Catholic projection.
I sec...wait what? Oh right, yes, seconded!
Now that we're in the Pit, I don't feel as guilty mingling with the discussions again. Ho ho ho.
So AFAIK, we have established that BS thinks that lying is morally wrong, no matter what the consequences, which can include the deaths of (a lot of) people. Personally, I don't think BS understands the severity of this claim, because he's religious and he could imagine something silly as how his god will be merciful to those whom died or something.
Other posters have tried to get an answer out of BS on what he thinks about the concept of choosing a lesser evil, e.g. between lying and murdering/killing. Yet, he denies that there is a conflict, e.g. he doesn't believe he can be put in a situation where he has to choose between lying or murdering, since they're both morally wrong/forbidden. Again, I don't think BS understands the severity of his claim, but it is
consistent with his silly view of a god existing, giving humans free will and not forcing them into anything (other than the occasional killing and genocides!).
Having understood that, I'm not sure if anything we say really matters. He's applying religious logic: "it doesn't matter how bad it sounds or how deadly my actions are to others, since god is the moral giver, he will eventually take care of everything and give people exactly what they deserve". This is evident in the manner he tried to solve the Nazi/Jew conflict: "god will save those poor Jews, if they really deserve it. And if they don't, then who am I to judge my god? Nobody. As such, it doesn't really matter that I expose them and caused them to be killed on Earth by telling the truth."
When he acknowledged that it's morally wrong to lie about the color of your boxers to save a million people (!), which is pretty horrible from our point of view, he probably thought: "Even if that scenario would end up real and I would have to make that choice correctly: those who died will ultimately still be judged by god when they see him. And that judgment is ultimately what truly matters, not their deaths on Earth. So it doesn't matter that telling the truth caused them to die, it's god they really have to worry about."
So how about it BS? Am I warm? Or cold? Essentially, you don't really care about the people and their lives on Earth, do you? You think, since there is a god out there who will be our final judge, it's everyone for himself morally and god will rightfully sort them out. As long as you don't break the rules, regardless of the consequences (that can cause severe harm to others), you're fine. Since those "consequences" are something your god will handle, one way or the other. Am I right? Wrong? Close?
While waiting for an answer on that, lemme ask you whether lying is as severe a moral wrong/offense as murdering, BS? Or would you say that one is actually less or more "wrong" than the other? Are all of the ten commandments of god equally right? Equally important?