Hello Anfauglir....
There is no need for the Mods to shift this discussion to another thread since from your own words, it is clear that neither you nor I have any desire to continue with this.
You posted your formal rebuttal - that included Fermi's paradox.
At around this point, you admitted you had no ideas of your own.
I responded to that, and asked a question for clarification. I was considering withdrawing, but wanted to see if you would give a straight answer.
I don't know what thread you are speaking of. I never saw your rebuttal or your question for clarification because I withdrew before I saw either. I had included Fermi's paradox in multiple posts of mine, so maybe that is where the confusion lies.
The last thing i remember you saying was you telling the rest of us that you were going to take a few days off to write a response to my rebuttal. I left almost immediately after that and without writing anything further. If I recall correctly, this was immediately after kcrady tried to help you with some answers to my rebuttal... but he then deferred the Fermi paradox to you and did not give an answer.
If i recall, this was in the Debate rooms.. .and from what I can see, all the debates and disucssion we were having at that time about this subject has been deleted. I cannot even see it in the archives. The last posts I was reading (and to what i'm referring to) were in the debate rooms, not in the general discussion area... which is where your link appears to take us to.
You responded to my question, but did NOT give a straight answer.
I therefore formally withdrew.
And I took the time and effort to explain why, and to post it online, so that you would know I had withdrawn.
I never read your withdrawal or your questions. I had apparantly left before any of this. As I said, the last posts i read and responded to (towards you and Kcrady) were in the debate rooms. And those are apparantly deleted and were not saved in the archive section.
So I never knew you withdrew. And like I said before, the last I remember reading what you wrote was when you told everyone that you were going to take some time to respond to my rebuttal... but that you weren't going to take weeks like I did.
From what you say, you just decided to leave without letting anyone know - including the two people you were engaging with in debate. At very best, that is rude.
It might have been rude, but I was fed up with the moderators. I thought about writing to you and Kcrady personaly and asking if you guys wanted to continue in personal email... but I was so disheartened and frustrated and a bit angry with the way the moderators were handling things that I just threw my hands up and left.
Fran
And I never called your honesty into question. Even though yiou said I lied, which I didn't, I don't call your honesty into question because I happen to think you are merely misinformed or uninformed, and not deliberately lying.
As I say, I never called your honesty into question. Where can you infer that from? I never said you were a liar. I never said you were dishonest. And I still don't. I do think however that you are sometimes misinformed or that you don't always get the facts straight... not out of deliberation, but from human error.
Anfauglir
You claimed I said that I would only continue the debate by PM.
I denied this, and posted the link where I said I would continue in seperate thread. Others did likewise.
You continued to claim I said that I would only continue the debate by PM.
I asked you to provide evidence. You did not. You continued to claim I said that I would only continue the debate by PM.
When finally cornered by the Mods, you admitted that you were mistaken.
THAT was where you called my honesty into question - by claiming, REPEATEDLY, that I had said something I did not. By persisting to claim it when shown that you had misunderstood my post. By persisting to claim it, despite denials, without bothering to check your facts.
This is not an example of lying. The Mods never pressured me into anything. It was your persistence... not anything said by the Mods... that finally convinced me to look at the email you sent me. It was then that I noticed you never sent one, and it was that error which explained why I was mistaken. No one ever showed how I misunderstood your post... i found out by finally rereading the suppossed email you had sent me. And I only did that because I knew you were basically and honest person and so I began to think I had made a mistake. The Mods... nor anyone else in here cornered me or influenced me or forced me to do anything.
It was your persistence and my opinion of you which finally convinced me to reexamine my position.
I made a mistake and I owned up to it.
Maybe you ain't lying Fran. But you certainly show a remarkable ability to shield yourself from the truth and keep posting "misunderstandings" long after you have been shown clear evidence to the contrary.
I was never shown anything, it was your persistence and my opinion of you which convinced me that I might have made a mistake. It was only then that i reread your email to me. Until then, I was convinced that my memory was correct.
Including here: I've shown you, three times now, where you continued the debate AFTER your first rebuttal. Where you continued the debate AFTER I had responded, and AFTER you had come back to me. Yet you have still NOT withdrawn your twice-made statement in this thread that:
"I still have no idea what response, if any, you might have made to my first rebuttel."
I've posted the damn thing, and your response, that PROVES that sentence is incorrect. Yet you have still not withdrawn it.
I still have no idea what response, if any, you might have made to my first rebuttal. I have not looked. All I did was see if the link you gave went to the Debate rooms or the Debate archives. Your link did neither.. and it was in the debate rooms that i made my first rebuttal to which I keep refering to.
To my mind, you are a liar. Moreover, you are by your own admission someone who will remove themselves from a debate without bothering to let anyone know you are going - just run away and leave the other person hanging.
I'm not a liar, and the fact you keep saying it shows you don't understand what the word means.
As for leaving, i already explained why.
Frankly, you ain't someone I want to deal with any more. I'm putting all this down so no-one will be suckered into engaging with someone as ill-mannered and shifty as you have shown yourself to be. So you are quite clear, I will not respond to you again in this thread. I will do my best not to engage with you elsewhere.
I've never been shifty or dishonest or disengious or a liar. And since neither you nor I will say anymore on this matter, then there is no need for the moderators to move this discussion to another thread since neither of us will be saying anything more.
But I will make it quite clear, in every thread I see you join, how you acted in the past, so that nobody else wastes their time on someone who makes so many "mistakes" about what has happened, has no thoughts of their own, and who will run away without comment when they start to lose.
This only shows the important fact that personal prejudices can skew and distort the facts. I could not have started to lose because the debate never began with kcrady or you to begin with.
How can I begin to lose when i NEVER saw your response in the first place? I thought my first rebuttal (and the last it turns out) was very good and I was anxious to see what your reply would be. I never saw your reply. All I saw was you saying that you were going to take a few days off to respond... but your promised everyone that you would not take weeks to respond as you say I did. That's the last thing I remember reading from you. And this was in the Debate rooms as I remember.
As for your clear mission that in every thread You see me join, you will tell everyone how I acted in the past... please, by all means, do so. I am not ashamed of anything I've done in the past. If i made a mistake, i always apologized. I never called anyone a liar.. as you have called me. I never called anyone dishonest... as you have called me.
I expect to be persecuted as a Christian. It comes with the territory. Jesus said we would be. Instead of making me cower, I embrace it as as a privilege. Truth has a price. And for Christians, the price is persecution.
Fran
