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« on: September 13, 2008, 03:29:03 PM »
Right, i've been asked to do a project on the LHC for school, and i'm having a bit of trouble with one thing ...

Does anybody know much about Superconducting Magnets?
Any help will be appreciated! :)
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Re: LHC
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2008, 06:00:39 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_magnets

There you go. I don't know very much. Just that they use liquid helium (coldest liquid known) to cool them in order to get the best conductivity out of them.  They push around the protons at the LHC by first attracting them and them switching over to repel them. They eventually get the particles up to like 99.9999991% the speed of light or something along that figure.
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Re: LHC
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2008, 06:20:38 PM »
Don't use Wikipedia as a resource.  The sight may provide you with a good starting point.  University, FERMI, or the LHC sight is a good start too.  Ultimately, go to the library.  I highly recommend a college library.  There is no better source.  Even if you don't belong to the school, you can go to the library to do your research during normal business hours.

You certainly don't want to use any of us as a resource.
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Re: LHC
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2008, 06:25:02 PM »
Very true.  Just pick up a book about magnets and you're set.
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Re: LHC
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2008, 06:45:05 PM »
Alright cheers :)

I already knew about the liquid helium cooling it for conductivity, i was just curious for more about the magnets themselves, but a book sounds good to me ;)
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Re: LHC
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2008, 07:17:15 PM »
Is anyone else aware of the possible Very Large Hadron Collider?  How could they possibly make one bigger?

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Re: LHC
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2008, 07:22:03 PM »
Is anyone else aware of the possible Very Large Hadron Collider?  How could they possibly make one bigger?

I've seen that on Wikipedia yeah :D
I'm not too sure on how valid it is, but it wouldn't suprise me!

Physicists are always going to want to get more and more energy to examine the universe in more detail, so i could see it being true :)

I'm not too sure how they'd get more energy out of the particles, though.
They can't get much faster than 99.9% the speed of light, surely :D
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Re: LHC
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2008, 08:41:02 PM »
Is anyone else aware of the possible Very Large Hadron Collider?  How could they possibly make one bigger?

By simply making a longer ring and adding more energy into the system.  It would be expensive.  I would be surprised if it wasn't done at some point in the future though.
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Re: LHC
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2008, 05:25:10 PM »
If they find the Higgs with this one, I see no reason why they'd be in a hurry to build a larger one.
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Re: LHC
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2008, 07:56:00 PM »
Is anyone else aware of the possible Very Large Hadron Collider?  How could they possibly make one bigger?
No, no.  They are colliding "very large hadrons", duh.

This will be superceded by the "Really quite large hardon collider", and then by the "My goodness these are large hardons collider" and finally by the "f**king huge hardon collider"

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Re: LHC
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2008, 07:57:08 PM »
Is anyone else aware of the possible Very Large Hadron Collider?  How could they possibly make one bigger?
No, no.  They are colliding "very large hadrons", duh.

This will be superceded by the "Really quite large hardon collider", and then by the "My goodness these are large hardons collider" and finally by the "f**king huge hardon collider"

:)
Did you mean to say "hardon" that entire time?

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Re: LHC
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2008, 08:07:17 PM »
Did you mean to say "hardon" that entire time?
Yes, of course.  The Large Hardon Collider.  MUCH more interesting physics going on there. :)
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Re: LHC
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2008, 09:02:17 PM »
Did you mean to say "hardon" that entire time?
Yes, of course.  The Large Hardon Collider.  MUCH more interesting physics going on there. :)
And a heck of a lot more painful.

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Re: LHC
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2008, 03:26:56 PM »
Hahaha!
Yeahh i always type hardon by accident :/

I like the sound of "Fucking huge hadron collider" :)
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Re: LHC
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2008, 01:02:09 PM »
It sounds like a porn:
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Re: LHC
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2008, 05:52:21 PM »
Is anyone else aware of the possible Very Large Hadron Collider?  How could they possibly make one bigger?
No, no.  They are colliding "very large hadrons", duh.

This will be superceded by the "Really quite large hardon collider", and then by the "My goodness these are large hardons collider" and finally by the "f**king huge hardon collider"
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Re: LHC
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2008, 01:46:52 AM »
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Large Hardon Collider: She'll Make You Suffer And Then Come Back For More

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Re: LHC
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2008, 08:15:02 PM »
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Re: LHC
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2008, 08:35:36 PM »
The LHC is down for quite a while

2 months or more? ? ?

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Re: LHC
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2008, 12:30:07 AM »
It's not the repairs that will take two months.  Just warming the section to be repaired from absolute zero up to normal temps will take weeks.  That's what takes so long
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Re: LHC
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2008, 12:53:39 AM »
They're waiting on me and my schedule is busy for six weeks, figure two weeks to fix it and get to know the physicist hotties....

Sigh.

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