Can you not go to youtube and watch this video? I think it would be best if you did that, as I am not the greatest trying to explain things. This will not disapoint.
Right now, I cannot. That site is blocked. Is it the Star Stuff family picnic? Is he wearing a "Kiss the Closet Atheist" apron?
Again I do not see how SS was being irrational, etc.., sure some words are harsh, but all of you guys on this site are guilty of that.
Well, lets you and I take an example or two.
This was what I actually said:
I am all for using tact and making the announcement quietly and without confrontation. She doesn't have to stick her thumb in their eye. But whatever the approach, we have to be honest with ourselves and our families.
This was how SS characterized it:
Your one-size-fits-all, carpet bombing approach lacks wisdom, sensitivity and compassion.
It is insensitive to throw a gernade into an elderly person's world... Would you also drub your non-belief into a cancer victim on their death-bed?
You just seem to want to throw your gernades in a pell-mell fashion.
Does what he says have any semblance to what I actually said? Of course not. That is not just harsh wording. That is gross mischaracterization. It is a strawman argument. That is where intellectual honesty should come in to play. That is where, after I pointed it out to him, he should have taken a step back, seen his error and apologized. Instead, he denied, denied, denied. And, sadly, he continues to deny.
I understand why he reacted that way initially
- he got all emotional because thought I was in some way attacking his parents or that my idea would be harmful to them. His emotional response was to try to protect them. So we get these posts that near hysteria and do not deal with what I said, but how he felt
. I do not hate him for that. I think though, that by now he should be able to recognize it and own up to it. His continued denial is shameful and embarrassing.
Another example - this whole denial of dishonesty. I have been through it a couple of times with both of you here
. I'm not going to go through the whole explanation again. But just as with the point above, you are both getting caught up in your emotions. Neither of you want to think he was dishonest and so you recoil from the notion. But I never said the dishonesty was malicious or even necessarily harmful. I just wanted it addressed. He was dishonest. There is no question of that. You cannot argue that he was not. He all but used those words. If he is to be believed, he lied "for the sake of anonymity". I routinely withhold personal information for security and privacy. I do not think there is anything wrong with that. And I said as much. But cripes man, be honest about it.
One last point about where he was irrational. I don't think it needs any explanation.
It's succinct. I have to give him that.
I know what a forum is, I am on a few just like this one, and others.
I wasn't talking down to you. I am sorry if it sounded that way. I had no idea of your level of experience and I was just trying to put it in terms even a noob could understand, just in case.