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If you have a question about Jesus
« on: March 14, 2010, 09:40:41 PM »
Please ask, I love Jesus and I love talking about Him.

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2010, 09:45:53 PM »
Did Jesus ever claim that he was divine? 

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2010, 09:48:44 PM »
Yes.

He clearly believed himself to be the Son of God, the promised Messiah, pre existing the worlds, worthy of worship, sinless, to be glorified eternally.

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2010, 09:51:43 PM »
Is this a topic about our favorite fictional characters?   I'm an Agatha Christie fan.  Miss Marple especially.  I like takling about her.  Ask me any questions you want about her.

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2010, 09:53:15 PM »
Can she save you, give you eternal life, and is she real?

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2010, 09:53:53 PM »
Yes.

He clearly believed himself to be the Son of God, the promised Messiah, pre existing the worlds, worthy of worship, sinless, to be glorified eternally.
Show me a verse from the bible where Jesus himself claims to be God.  Not "Son Of God" or "Messiah" ... God.  Not once does Jesus make the claim for himself.  

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2010, 09:54:44 PM »
Can she save you, give you eternal life, and is she real?
I never claimed she could.  But that's not really the point I was making, is it?

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2010, 09:55:39 PM »
Show me a verse from the bible where Jesus himself claims to be God.  Not "Son Of God" or "Messiah" ... God.  Not once does Jesus make the claim for himself.  
The question posed regarded whether Jesus claimed to be divine. Jesus made many claims about His divinity.

You are asking me to show Jesus making the claim to be God.

What is God?

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2010, 09:55:58 PM »
I never claimed she could.  But that's not really the point I was making, is it?
You were making an irrelevant point.

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2010, 09:59:18 PM »
The question posed regarded whether Jesus claimed to be divine. Jesus made many claims about His divinity.

You are asking me to show Jesus making the claim to be God.

What is God?
Instead of skirting the issue, provide the proof.  You said Jesus made such a claim.  Prove it.

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2010, 10:01:20 PM »
I have a question. Christians maintain the belief that Jesus' life, death, and resurrection was the key to God's forgiveness of human sin and salvation. Why, exactly, did these events have to occur in order for God to forgive humans of anything? What is the relevance of:
a) the life, death, and resurrection of a divine entity manifested in the flesh (Jesus), to

b) A God's his attitude towards human sin.

'Cause honestly, I see absolutely no causal relevance of a) to b). If God wanted to forgive humans, why didn't he just do it, why were the events described in a) a prerequisite to forgiveness?

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2010, 10:01:35 PM »
I never claimed she could.  But that's not really the point I was making, is it?
You were making an irrelevant point.
Actually my point is very relevant.  I assumed that since you were talking about your favorite fictional character, I could talk about mine.

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2010, 10:02:22 PM »
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When he said we were trying to make a fool of him, I could only murmur that the Creator had beat us to it.   

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2010, 10:04:16 PM »
Please ask, I love Jesus and I love talking about Him.
will there ever be a single shred of physical evidence that will every be found to substantiate the existence of Jesus as a real person?
did the authors who wrote texts that are considered psuedographica lie about the existence of Jesus?
is there difference between the evidence for the existence of Santa or Jesus?

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2010, 10:05:51 PM »
will there ever be a single shred of physical evidence that will every be found to substantiate the existence of Jesus as a real person?
did the authors who wrote texts that are considered psuedographica lie about the existence of Jesus?
is there difference between the evidence for the existence of Santa or Jesus?
I thought my way of asking that question was more fun. :)

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2010, 10:07:48 PM »
Yes.

He clearly believed himself to be the Son of God, the promised Messiah, pre existing the worlds, worthy of worship, sinless, to be glorified eternally.

I would like you to show me any text where Jesus himself claimed to be divine.

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2010, 10:23:58 PM »
Where are the facts? Where are the hypotheses? Where are the proofs? Where are the opposing hypotheses? Where are the theories? Opposing theories? Established laws? Etc.

For this to be valid, we need to look at it at the skeptic side and try to see where the evidence leads us. You, on the other hand, have made an assumption and seek to support that assumption. That is intellectual dishonesty right there.
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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2010, 10:28:32 PM »
will there ever be a single shred of physical evidence that will every be found to substantiate the existence of Jesus as a real person?
did the authors who wrote texts that are considered psuedographica lie about the existence of Jesus?
is there difference between the evidence for the existence of Santa or Jesus?
You need to be much more specific.

What is your definition of evidence? Do you believe a man named Jesus didn't exist?

Which pseudographical texts are you talking about?

Which Jesus and which Santa Claus?

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2010, 10:29:11 PM »
Where are the facts? Where are the hypotheses? Where are the proofs? Where are the opposing hypotheses? Where are the theories? Opposing theories? Established laws? Etc.

For this to be valid, we need to look at it at the skeptic side and try to see where the evidence leads us. You, on the other hand, have made an assumption and seek to support that assumption. That is intellectual dishonesty right there.
You're in a hurry to accuse me of things. No worry.

This thread is not about all those things, it's about Jesus.

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2010, 10:29:49 PM »
I would like you to show me any text where Jesus himself claimed to be divine.
Jesus claimed to exist before the world was made, and called God his Father.

How is that not a claim to divinity?

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2010, 10:30:25 PM »
Actually my point is very relevant.  I assumed that since you were talking about your favorite fictional character, I could talk about mine.
Oh, then it was a simple mistake. I'm not talking about a fictional character.

Do you see now how your point was irrelevant to this thread?

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2010, 10:31:14 PM »
Instead of skirting the issue, provide the proof.  You said Jesus made such a claim.  Prove it.
I said that Jesus claimed to be divine. Do you want me to prove it?

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2010, 10:40:28 PM »
will there ever be a single shred of physical evidence that will every be found to substantiate the existence of Jesus as a real person?
did the authors who wrote texts that are considered psuedographica lie about the existence of Jesus?
is there difference between the evidence for the existence of Santa or Jesus?
You need to be much more specific.

What is your definition of evidence? Do you believe a man named Jesus didn't exist?

Which pseudographical texts are you talking about?

Which Jesus and which Santa Claus?
I don't have the ignorance nor the lack of resources that you have therefore I cannot answer your questions, because I don't understand them.

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2010, 10:44:02 PM »
oh oh Mr. Kotter!
I have a question for you. Did Uzzah go to hell?

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2010, 10:53:31 PM »
How can we talk about Jesus if you do not define the terms? What is "divine" by YOUR definition? We need stipulated meanings. We need a goalpost so to say by which to measure whether or not you are actually providing evidence.

If we have to take on faith, than I guess anything you can think of is true. Since all you need is faith. Also, the mentally ill aren't really ill. We just don't have the faith, to believe them. :shrug
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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2010, 10:54:29 PM »
Did Jesus wear sandals?
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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2010, 11:21:43 PM »
How can we talk about Jesus if you do not define the terms? What is "divine" by YOUR definition?
Divine to me is having the same essence as the Creator. Essence meaning essential characteristic, or identity. You could say that Jesus and the Creator are the same person, for instance.

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2010, 11:22:21 PM »
Did Jesus wear sandals?
That seems reasonable, sandals were common for the time and place. John the Baptist talked about his sandals too.

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Re: If you have a question about Jesus
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2010, 11:34:31 PM »
Instead of skirting the issue, provide the proof.  You said Jesus made such a claim.  Prove it.
I said that Jesus claimed to be divine. Do you want me to prove it?

Yes, we want that. And prove it will require more than bible quotes since we atheists don't consider those to be the best evidence.