The drunk is at fault, not some magical sin. What on earth is a magical sin? What do you think sin is?
the claims by a ignorant xenophobic people that some actions are considered bad by a supernatural force. For instance, your supposed supernatural force had a thing about menstruation, working on a special day (which Christians can’t agree on), eating shrimp, etc. Sins only tangentially have anything to do with benefit and harm. Orgininal sin is even funnier since it does depend on magic. Oooh, the entire world got like it is from"sin" with a poof.
Now, if your god does exist, I do wonder about such a god that does nothing and allows a father to be killed by a drunk. As I pointed out, and which you avoided, your bible has nothing about free will, so why not interfere with a miracle yet again? Omnipotent, omniscient surely he can? Or was it part of “God’s Plan” that a man die with four children now grieving?
It would be lovely if every time a thug pulled the trigger on a gun, roses came out instead of bullets. But that is not the nature of reality. It would be lovely, if every time an arsonist struck a match and threw it into a pile of leaves in a forest, it would rain lemonade. But that is not the nature of fire. Or rain. You can't have it both ways. Either we are puppets or we are not. Free will is all over the Bible. How could you possibly miss it?[/quote] Yep, it would be lovely. And yep, it’s not the nature of reality. No miracle is, not even the ones you’ve deluded yourself into believing. You see, you can’t have it both ways, Jane. I do love how you claim “free will is all over the bible” but you haven’t shown one instance of it.
One thing Christians forget is that their god did indeed say that the thought of the deed was just as bad as the deed. So, even if your god cared about free will, one could have it stop people after they thought of something horrible to do and stop them right then; no one else would need to be involved or harmed. But no, this god has conveniently become impotent when its worshippers have to excuse its inaction.
Demanding constant miracles; intervention to prevent the outcome of our actions, plays havoc with reality. Laws that are constantly circumvented are no longer laws and we can wave bye-bye to science. I can't even imagine what a totally unpredictable world would look like. Well, for one thing, there would be no such thing as a miracle since nothing can be a miracle in a world that does not work in predictable ways.
Ah, so you do agree that your fellow Christians are wrong. So please do show me you are the True Christian here. Yep, constant miracles would mess things up. Miracles of any kind at any time destroy free will. But your god had no problem with this before so why the excuse now? Is it because miracles don’t happen and you have to self-edit your religion to explain why your Pope doesn’t bother going to Lourdes but goes right to a high tech hospital? So much for believing that this god takes care of mankind as much as he takes care of the birds and the lilies. Of course, looking out at the roof across from me, those birds don’t get much god attention either.
One really doesn't need a decoder ring to read the Bible intelligently and think about what one is reading. However, it is a mistake to suppose that you can pick up an ancient work of literature written over at least 1000 years in a couple of different languages and in different places and expect it to be as transparent as your daily newspaper. It isn't going to be. Not by a long shot.
No, I agree with that. I have read the bible without a decoder ring and read it “intelligently” and think about what it says. And I get something entirely different from you. So, your claim of doing something “intelligently” was only you saying that you believe that only those who agree with your and your own personal version of what the bible says are intelligent. No problem, all types of Christians here make that accusation and again, all of them differ and all of hem have no evidence that their version is the right one.
Pity your god is so impotent and evidently so bloodthirsty that it can’t get past humans who hmmm, use different languages per its will right? and who can’t correct anything about the bible to make it clearer and not have people kill each other over it. I seem to recall Catholics and non-Catholic Christians murdering each other over such arguments about who know what their invisible friend wanted the bestest. The 30 Year War was all about this nonsense, killing hundreds of thousands from hunger, plague, and war.