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« Reply #58 on: October 02, 2008, 01:16:59 AM »
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« Reply #59 on: October 02, 2008, 05:33:11 AM »
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« Reply #60 on: October 02, 2008, 05:33:33 AM »
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« Reply #61 on: October 02, 2008, 06:24:19 AM »
Being British, I just ignored cdk007's political videos. He's on the money with his biology, though.

then check out thunderf00t's "how to Lose a Trillion Dollars":

[youtube]SMFt7tRq-Ps[/youtube]

I love his "taxation / representation" dig at the end   :D
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Re: Youtube round-up...
« Reply #62 on: October 02, 2008, 06:41:55 AM »
Re-post of main list;



Who are your most and least favorite religious commentators on youtube?

Atheists....

Most Favorite atheists(vote down if you disagree)
http://www.youtube.com/user/agnosticman77
http://www.youtube.com/user/AndromedasWake
http://www.youtube.com/user/AronRa
http://www.youtube.com/user/atheistmedia
http://www.youtube.com/user/attvideos
http://www.youtube.com/user/CapnOAwesome
http://www.youtube.com/user/cdk007
http://www.youtube.com/user/choupick
http://www.youtube.com/user/Cristofer7
http://www.youtube.com/user/CrucieFiction
http://www.youtube.com/user/cyberia1
http://www.youtube.com/user/dendrophilian   [ New! ]
http://www.youtube.com/user/EdwardCurrent
http://www.youtube.com/user/ExtantDodo
http://www.youtube.com/user/frisbeesANDflipflops  [ New! ]
http://www.youtube.com/user/GIIVideo
http://www.youtube.com/user/gisburne2000
http://www.youtube.com/user/Gravitationalist 
http://www.youtube.com/user/healthyaddict
http://www.youtube.com/user/HonestDiscussioner
http://www.youtube.com/user/imrational 
http://www.youtube.com/user/lirpa69
http://www.youtube.com/user/LordPrivySeal001
http://www.youtube.com/user/MakeCakeNotWar
http://www.youtube.com/user/Mattmon2
http://www.youtube.com/user/mickipedia
http://www.youtube.com/user/myst32
http://www.youtube.com/user/namnack    [ New! ]
http://www.youtube.com/user/PatCondell
http://www.youtube.com/user/PiroNiro     
http://www.youtube.com/user/Potholer54
http://www.youtube.com/user/Potholer54debunks
http://www.youtube.com/user/proteanview   [ New! ]
http://www.youtube.com/user/RabidApe
http://www.youtube.com/user/RationalResponse
http://www.youtube.com/user/RoyZimmerman
http://www.youtube.com/user/Ryansarcade9
http://www.youtube.com/user/seenandnotseen
http://www.youtube.com/user/SoldierInGodsArmy   [ New! ]
http://www.youtube.com/user/SuperFlyNB
http://www.youtube.com/user/theabortedsoul
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDoubtingApproach
http://www.youtube.com/user/Theologikos
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheoreticalBulls hit (REMOVE THE SPACE before the word 'HIT" to fix link)
http://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t


Inconsistently great or unnecessarily vengeful (Vote UP or Down)
http://www.youtube.com/user/naomi94 (deleted a harmless comment for no reason)
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAmazingAtheist (inconsitent)


Atheist morons(vote UP to move out of this category)




Theists -- the good, the bad, and the insane.

Christians that get it (and deserve a beer)
http://www.youtube.com/user/DonExodus2 (smacks down creationists)
http://www.youtube.com/user/GnosticMedia


Theists that are morons or destructive (corrections appreciated)
http://www.youtube.com/user/revivalisneeded (street preacher in his videos? an A$$.)
http://www.youtube.com/user/VenomFangX
http://www.youtube.com/user/YokeUp

Well. DonExodus2 is cool but rarely talks religion. I asked him too and I assume others did too. TheAmazingAtheist was a big dork to him right afterwards tho.

Condel, Gisbourne, ThunderF00t are the BEST. But you can't have thunderfoot without a VenomFangX to get him angry. ;-).
Yoke-Up is ok to me. Seems like a nice guy.
I grudging like the FakeSagan. He's a bit of a jerk intensionally but i've met people like him before.

I can take the Amazing Atheist in doses but sometimes he's kind of annoying.

CaptOrdinary is highly underrated. His debunking of Harun Yahia alone makes his channel worth while.

You missed DrO; I can't spell his name at this moment. I encouraged him to join isgodimaginary but don't know if kept his interest.  He impressed Gisbourne. Smart kid, smarter than most adults. He has good philosophy stuff.

I rather liked Dil Demonique. She was my fav. ;-).
I am not huge of Captn Awesome ... occasionally he is funny. Mostly because of above and her videos being gone. Since they were dating somehow ... I blame him. Hahaha. He was not worthy intellectually to watch her sheoes, lol. ;-).

DonEx
"i had learn to focus i what i could do rather what i couldn't do", Rick Hansen when asked about getting a disabling spinal cord injury at 15. He continues to raise money for spinal cord research and inspire peoople to "make a difference". He doesnt preach any religion.

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Re: Youtube round-up...
« Reply #63 on: October 02, 2008, 12:22:01 PM »
has anyone put a shout in for AtheistBlindChick?

Feisty little madam.
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« Reply #64 on: October 02, 2008, 01:15:13 PM »
Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons. --Michael Shermer

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Re: Youtube round-up...
« Reply #65 on: October 02, 2008, 01:22:26 PM »
No day in which you learn something is wasted.

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Re: Youtube round-up...
« Reply #66 on: October 02, 2008, 01:31:05 PM »
Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons. --Michael Shermer

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Re: Youtube round-up...
« Reply #67 on: October 02, 2008, 02:03:54 PM »
Added...

http://www.youtube.com/user/CapnOrdinary   [ New! ]

That was the guy I was talking about that compeltely debunked Harun yahia.

He's been around for a while tho ...


http://www.youtube.com/user/DrObswolovitch <--- The Kid Dr.O. He is brilliant.
"i had learn to focus i what i could do rather what i couldn't do", Rick Hansen when asked about getting a disabling spinal cord injury at 15. He continues to raise money for spinal cord research and inspire peoople to "make a difference". He doesnt preach any religion.

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« Reply #68 on: October 02, 2008, 02:22:18 PM »
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Re: Youtube round-up...
« Reply #69 on: October 02, 2008, 04:56:20 PM »
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That was the guy I was talking about that compeltely debunked Harun yahia.

He's been around for a while tho ...


http://www.youtube.com/user/DrObswolovitch <--- The Kid Dr.O. He is brilliant.

Going to have to jump in here and say that his lecture on infinity was wrong.  Infinity is tricky, though, and many of its subtleties can become very confusing.

Error #1
He says that God cannot be infinite if the universe is not part of him, but that is not at all true, and here is an easy analogy to understand:

If a set of numbers, x, includes every number greater than zero, then x is clearly an infinite set.
Equally clearly, -1 is not a part of x.

What is true, though, is saying infinity + 1 is not really possible, and the following is also true:
y = x +1
limit [x->oo] y = oo

and

limit [x->oo] x/y = 1

...which would appear to say that x = y... BUT!...

limit [x->oo] x-y
= limit [x->oo] x - (x + 1)
= limit [x->oo] x - x - 1
= limit [x->oo] - 1
= - 1

So while the statement is true in some respects, it is certainly not always true.  What is true, though, and what I believe he is attempting to communicate is that there is no number that is larger than infinity.  Also similar in concept is that you cannot add/subtract a finite number to infinity or multiply/divide infinity by a finite number and produce a finite number; it is still infinite.



Error #2
He says that there are no more milliseconds than seconds in an infinite amount of time, which is also untrue.

x = number of seconds in a specified time duration, t, which is in seconds
y = number of milliseconds in a specified time duration, t, which is in seconds

x = t / (1 second)
y = 1000 * x

With these assumptions, x - y, according to him, is 0, but it is not.  Similarly, x/y should be 1, but it is not.  In order to solve x-y or x/y, which are indeterminate forms, you must make use of L`Hopital's rule, which is often very easy to do:

indeterminate form oo - oo:
limit [t->oo] x - y
= limit [t->oo] x - (1000 * x)
= limit [t->oo] -999 * x
= -oo

indeterminate form oo / oo:
limit [t->oo] x / y
= limit [t->oo] x / (1000 * x)
= limit [t->oo] 1/1,000  * (x/x)
= 1/1,000

Is this boy claiming to be a Math PhD?  :-\  This is Calculus 2...  :(

Anyways, to correct the second analogy, the problem with it is that there is a formula that directly and indisputably converts seconds into milliseconds, and it is not at a 1:1 ratio.  A more accurate analogy that I suppose communicates the same idea is something such as, "There are more supernovas in an infinite amount of time than there are hairs on the heads of all humans."
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Re: Youtube round-up...
« Reply #70 on: October 02, 2008, 06:33:54 PM »
Error #2
He says that there are no more milliseconds than seconds in an infinite amount of time, which is also untrue.
x = number of seconds in a specified time duration, t, which is in seconds
y = number of milliseconds in a specified time duration, t, which is in seconds
x = t / (1 second)
y = 1000 * x
With these assumptions, x - y, according to him, is 0, but it is not.  Similarly, x/y should be 1, but it is not.  In order to solve x-y or x/y, which are indeterminate forms, you must make use of L`Hopital's rule, which is often very easy to do:
indeterminate form oo - oo:
limit [t->oo] x - y
= limit [t->oo] x - (1000 * x)
= limit [t->oo] -999 * x
= -oo

indeterminate form oo / oo:
limit [t->oo] x / y
= limit [t->oo] x / (1000 * x)
= limit [t->oo] 1/1,000  * (x/x)
= 1/1,000

Is this boy claiming to be a Math PhD?  :-\  This is Calculus 2...  :(

Anyways, to correct the second analogy, the problem with it is that there is a formula that directly and indisputably converts seconds into milliseconds, and it is not at a 1:1 ratio.  A more accurate analogy that I suppose communicates the same idea is something such as, "There are more supernovas in an infinite amount of time than there are hairs on the heads of all humans."

uhm,

It's simply not possible to count the amount if real number values in a theoretical, hypothetical number. It's an equation without meaning. That's like asking someone to step away 100 meters from the ball of nothing which 'exploded' in the big bang before it bigbanged.

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Re: Youtube round-up...
« Reply #71 on: October 02, 2008, 08:42:51 PM »
Seems to me you're sorta limiting the definition of infinity to the distance that light traveled since the big bang, which is a finite speed multiplied by a finite duration of time... producing a finite number... and it may be impossible for you to every catch up with it, and thus logically infinite for humans, but such a distance is not actually mathematically infinite.

When it comes to indeterminate forms, you are talking about "limits."  You are not actually setting a variable to infinity, but are instead noticing what happens to an equation when a variable travels toward a specific value, such as 0, 1, 5, etc. or infinity.

Here are explanations on how to solve indeterminate forms:



http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/CalcI/LHospitalsRule.aspx   

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Indeterminate.html
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LHospitalsRule.html (more complicated)

To correct an error, L`Hopital's Rule was not used in my previous examples since they are solvable with algebra and knowledge of limits, but it is a method often used to solve indeterminate forms.
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« Reply #72 on: October 02, 2008, 09:47:28 PM »
By the way, after listening to the video again, I guess it depends on the context.  If you're talking about conceptual infinity, then you can't add a finite number to it, but if you're talking about how infinity is dealt with in mathematics, which is by limits, then you can sorta kinda in a round-about-way do it.

I definitely think the first analogy is incorrect within all contexts though.

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« Reply #73 on: October 03, 2008, 03:50:30 AM »
You didn't get my point; The example of stepping back from the ball of nothing has nothing to do with the definition of infinity. My point was simply that when dealing with the conceptual infinity as used in the video (opposed to one certain mathematical definition), it wouldn't make sense to compare the number of times two real number values would fit in it. You will just end up just comparing the two real number values, as I believe is also the case in your example.

You would first have to limit the value of infinity for it to make sense. And using a yard stick measuring for example the space-time that has been called into existence by our great Lord FSM (The most Benificent, the most Merciful), Ruler of all that is Noodly (Praise be upon his Seraphic Dishes), is not the same as infinity by any definition.

2* infinity/2
        1 limit           =

((6(i/l)+4(n/l)+2(f/l)+2(t/l)+2(y/t))/2  +
((6(i/m)+4(n/m)+2(f/m)+2(n/m)+2(t/m)+2(y/m))/2 +
(6(i/t)+4(n/t)+2(f/t)+2(y/t))/2                     =

2Y+(4A/2)+2W+4(E/2)+2H
                    2                                                  =

2YAWEH
         2                                                             =

YAWEH


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« Reply #74 on: October 03, 2008, 07:25:57 AM »
I'm not saying that the statement "God is infinite" is not a stupid statement, but my point is that his first attempt to disprove this statement by saying, "Well, that can't be since the world is not a part of God." is wrong.

Just nipping a bad argument in the bud.

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« Reply #75 on: October 03, 2008, 07:27:34 AM »
Then we are in agreement.

As is the will of FSM.

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« Reply #76 on: October 07, 2008, 08:23:42 PM »
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http://www.youtube.com/user/ReligionIsACrutch  [ New! ]

Atheist vs. Black Magic
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeJVUbpF8Mg[/youtube]

Comment: Just like a pigeon doing a dance to get a crumb to drop out of the chute.

You Are Insignificant
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QpfzbPDUV4[/youtube]

Comment: Inspiring and humble.

The Price of Faith: Introduction
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BliMK_pbrGE[/youtube]

Comment: Narrated by RabbidApe.
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Re: Youtube round-up...
« Reply #77 on: October 07, 2008, 10:16:16 PM »
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtfsLpae2Sw&NR=1[/youtube]
"i had learn to focus i what i could do rather what i couldn't do", Rick Hansen when asked about getting a disabling spinal cord injury at 15. He continues to raise money for spinal cord research and inspire peoople to "make a difference". He doesnt preach any religion.

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« Reply #78 on: October 07, 2008, 10:26:28 PM »
I figure I ought to mention overmind25.  He has a lot of videos on Thomas Paine & also videos against religion.

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« Reply #79 on: October 08, 2008, 07:59:19 AM »
Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons. --Michael Shermer

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Re: Youtube round-up...
« Reply #80 on: October 08, 2008, 02:00:09 PM »
Venomfangx Apologizes to the Internets
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_MYyc-PtH4[/youtube]

For discussion and replies:

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Re: Youtube round-up...
« Reply #81 on: October 08, 2008, 02:13:37 PM »
Yeah, VFX apology was entertaining.

Ironically, i did not want the guy banned but thought he was being slime sucker. (At least if he reported videos making fun out of
his content.)

I'll admit that that it might be stretch to call the animated version of him singing to be a bit of stretch.
"i had learn to focus i what i could do rather what i couldn't do", Rick Hansen when asked about getting a disabling spinal cord injury at 15. He continues to raise money for spinal cord research and inspire peoople to "make a difference". He doesnt preach any religion.

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« Reply #82 on: October 08, 2008, 04:17:31 PM »
Ban him?  No.  Totally and completely humiliate him?  Yes. 

Unfortunately, back in reality, looking at the video he actually made there's no contrition ... no sincerity in his apology.  It's completely deadpanned and unemotional.  He was threatened and followed the letter of the agreement and no more like an impoverished child getting caught stealing other kids' toys.

I do not doubt for a moment that he does not care about the DMCA nor the rights of the people he attempted to censor.  He would do it again in a microsecond if he couldn't get caught ... and I bet he is trying to figure out how to right now.  After all, why not?  He has no morals ... he's got Jesus!

The only lesson he learned is don't mess with Thunderf00t.  Everyone else is fair game.
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« Reply #83 on: October 08, 2008, 11:31:12 PM »
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Brainwashing In The Name Of The Lord
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An Atheist Has A Near-Death Experience
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On Atheism and Flogging Dead Horses
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« Reply #84 on: October 09, 2008, 06:54:37 AM »
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« Reply #85 on: October 09, 2008, 07:05:48 AM »
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Atheism for Dummies: Agnosticism is not a middle ground
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Re: Youtube round-up...
« Reply #86 on: October 09, 2008, 05:51:14 PM »
I don't know if this has been listed yet, but I just came across it today:

http://www.youtube.com/user/InReasonWeTrust


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